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We have seen how that went during covid, so dont i wouldn't hold your breath on it. The only hope is competition from China and others initiating a race to the

We have seen how that went during covid, so dont i wouldn't hold your breath on it. The only hope is competition from China and others initiating a race to the bottom.

amelius 3y ago
Maybe in 30 years when all the patents have expired.
bawolff 3y ago
I mean, it seemed like it worked pretty well with covid. Vaccine was produced very quickly, and in most countries was free.
- noduerme 3y ago
  Not free enough for anticapitalists!
- satchlj 3y ago
  If by "free" you mean that taxpayers payed huge amounts of money then sure...
  - maxerickson 3y ago
    It was like $30 a dose or less. Super cheap. Egad.
    - mb_72 3y ago
      Not to mention saved significant hospital costs as people were unwell but not sick enough to require more intensive and expensive treatment.
  - squarefoot 3y ago
    What is wrong in funding everyone's health through taxes? I paid a lot of them for years, although living a quite healthy life, then one day everything changed, and in just a couple years I had to get covid vaccines, a vertebral stabilization after an accident, then two stents after a heart attack. All for free. So far, my healthcare taxes have been the best possible investment.
- croes 3y ago
  It wasn't free, just paid by the government means tax money means money that's now missing for other things in countries like Germany because they still are fixated on the 60% debt ceiling based on an Excel error.
  - bawolff 3y ago
    I mean the person i was responding to said "Moderna gets a big influx of money from all countries in the world" - i assume that cash would come from tax revenue. Money doesn't just magically appear.
- oldgradstudent 3y ago
  It was a bit expensive, and it took some time to ramp up production. Still impressive, though. The problem was that almost everyone who got the vaccine also caught the disease.
  - blackbear_ 3y ago
    Vaccines are not intended to prevent people from getting the disease. Their purpose is to make the body defeat the disease faster while taking less damage.
    - oldgradstudent 3y ago
      This claim would come as a great surprise to the FDA, as they approved it soley for prevention of COVID.
      - LorenPechtel 3y ago
        No vaccine in existence actually prevents infection. Rather, it primes the immune system so the battle is typically a total rout, the invader losing very quickly and the patient never noticing. That's what they got against Covid/Wuhan and the world actually did achieve herd immunity--against Covid/Wuhan. (The Wuhan strain has been extinct for some time.) Unfortunately, it turned out to mutate quite rapidly (like the flu) and soon the battles weren't always a rout. It still reduces severity, though, and thus is still used.
        oldgradstudent 3y ago
        > the invader losing very quickly and the patient never noticing. That's called preventing Covid. Covid is the disease, not simply an infection. The problem is that the vast majority of people who got the vaccine did in fact notice very well they've had Covid. > That's what they got against Covid/Wuhan and the world actually did achieve herd immunity--against Covid/Wuhan. (The Wuhan strain has been extinct for some time.) The Wuhan strain wasn't that relevant even before the vaccines were widely available. > Unfortunately, it turned out to mutate quite rapidly (like the flu) and soon the battles weren't always a rout. Which was predicted and expected all along. > It still reduces severity, though, and thus is still used. Only if you take really awful studies seriously. Nobody bothered to test this hypothesis in a proper trial.
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We have seen how that went during covid, so dont i wouldn't hold your breath on it. The only hope is competition from China and others initiating a race to the bottom.

amelius 3y ago

Maybe in 30 years when all the patents have expired.

bawolff 3y ago

I mean, it seemed like it worked pretty well with covid. Vaccine was produced very quickly, and in most countries was free.

noduerme 3y ago
Not free enough for anticapitalists!
satchlj 3y ago
If by "free" you mean that taxpayers payed huge amounts of money then sure...
- maxerickson 3y ago
  It was like $30 a dose or less. Super cheap. Egad.
  - mb_72 3y ago
    Not to mention saved significant hospital costs as people were unwell but not sick enough to require more intensive and expensive treatment.
- squarefoot 3y ago
  What is wrong in funding everyone's health through taxes? I paid a lot of them for years, although living a quite healthy life, then one day everything changed, and in just a couple years I had to get covid vaccines, a vertebral stabilization after an accident, then two stents after a heart attack. All for free. So far, my healthcare taxes have been the best possible investment.
croes 3y ago
It wasn't free, just paid by the government means tax money means money that's now missing for other things in countries like Germany because they still are fixated on the 60% debt ceiling based on an Excel error.
- bawolff 3y ago
  I mean the person i was responding to said "Moderna gets a big influx of money from all countries in the world" - i assume that cash would come from tax revenue. Money doesn't just magically appear.
oldgradstudent 3y ago
It was a bit expensive, and it took some time to ramp up production. Still impressive, though. The problem was that almost everyone who got the vaccine also caught the disease.
- blackbear_ 3y ago
  Vaccines are not intended to prevent people from getting the disease. Their purpose is to make the body defeat the disease faster while taking less damage.
  - oldgradstudent 3y ago
    This claim would come as a great surprise to the FDA, as they approved it soley for prevention of COVID.
    - LorenPechtel 3y ago
      No vaccine in existence actually prevents infection. Rather, it primes the immune system so the battle is typically a total rout, the invader losing very quickly and the patient never noticing. That's what they got against Covid/Wuhan and the world actually did achieve herd immunity--against Covid/Wuhan. (The Wuhan strain has been extinct for some time.) Unfortunately, it turned out to mutate quite rapidly (like the flu) and soon the battles weren't always a rout. It still reduces severity, though, and thus is still used.
      - oldgradstudent 3y ago
        > the invader losing very quickly and the patient never noticing. That's called preventing Covid. Covid is the disease, not simply an infection. The problem is that the vast majority of people who got the vaccine did in fact notice very well they've had Covid. > That's what they got against Covid/Wuhan and the world actually did achieve herd immunity--against Covid/Wuhan. (The Wuhan strain has been extinct for some time.) The Wuhan strain wasn't that relevant even before the vaccines were widely available. > Unfortunately, it turned out to mutate quite rapidly (like the flu) and soon the battles weren't always a rout. Which was predicted and expected all along. > It still reduces severity, though, and thus is still used. Only if you take really awful studies seriously. Nobody bothered to test this hypothesis in a proper trial.
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