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Yes, I have used a Prusa, but I have mostly used Cura with it. The bulk of my experience with Prusas started with finding one at the local hackerspace, firing u

Yes, I have used a Prusa, but I have mostly used Cura with it. The bulk of my experience with Prusas started with finding one at the local hackerspace, firing up Cura and finding a profile for it, getting it to work and never questioning this procedure again. I used Prusaslicer once or twice, but nevertheless, I cut my teeth on Cura so I used the tool I knew. Not that the comment you're replying to alleges that most Prusa users are using Cura, for the record. Yes, installing and using Cura is a nightmare for non-technical users, and indeed serious users will have to install a slicer eventually. But that's the point: this product design locks it into the enthusiast market, and most consumers don't want to deal with that overhead. Clicking "print this" on a model catalogue, having it fire up a cloud slicer thing, and pressing "go" is a better user experience for a novice, plain and simple, and I'm sick of arguing with your enlightened enthusiast takes here.

jacquesm 3y ago
If you're sick of arguing maybe you shouldn't be starting arguments? What you say makes very little sense. Prusa has an audience, you are not that audience. So go buy something else and write about how great your experience is instead of kicking Prusa, especially if you haven't bothered using their slicer, which is absolutely fantastic, runs locally and supports linux.
kiba 3y ago
I used both Prusaslicer and Cura. They worked. Prusaslicer comes in with built in profile for my specific Prusa machine. The generic profiles work well enough for my purposes.
riddley 3y ago
I'm sorry you're sick of having to defend your baseless claims. If you don't know about Prusaslicer, you download it, and in some cases click Next a few times to install it. You then select whatever printer(s) you have from a set of pre-populated profiles that include non-Prusa models, btw. You now have a highly tuned profile for your Prusa printer because -- and I can't stress this enough -- Prusa's QC... well exists! which means it's already better than the competition. Because they have QC, they're able to predict very well how the machine is going to behave and are able to release profiles that work very well for everyone. Also, if you don't know about Prusaslicer -- it's the origin of Bamboo's slicer. They get to ride along for free while you chant "Innovation!" Also, if you don't know about Prusaslicer, why do you feel so comfortable commenting on what Prusa has and hasn't done? Like when you say things like "comes with an ecosystem that Creality has invested in to a much greater extent than Prusa." You don't what you're talking about. > But that's the point: this product design locks it into the enthusiast market, and most consumers don't want to deal with that overhead. What product design? Cura? Why are we talking about Cura again? Oh yea, you brought it up because you used it one time. Seriously though, what product design are you talking about? I love it when people speak for "most consumers."
StayTrue 3y ago
I’ve lost track of where the goalposts are. The original author is all over the place.
huimang 3y ago
Non-technical users are going to install prusaslicer. I know, because that's what I did when I bought a prusa without knowing anything. It's the first one mentioned in the user manual.
Hizonner 3y ago
> Yes, I have used a Prusa, but I have mostly used Cura with it. You just deprived yourself of any claim to represent the "normal user". > Not that the comment you're replying to alleges that most Prusa users are using Cura, for the record. ... which kind of shows that they do NOT, in any way, shape, or form, "have to deal with the nightmare of installing and configuring Cura". You're the one who chose to use the words "have to". > this product design locks it into the enthusiast market, and most consumers don't want to deal with that overhead. There is not now, nor will there ever be, a significant "non-enthusiast" market for these devices. "Consumers" do not want to dick around with them, and a cloud slicer has negligible impact on most of the dicking around. > Clicking "print this" on a model catalogue, How many people actually do that for most of their printing? Who would buy such a device only to use canned models? If I don't want to customize things, I can trivially buy them already made, usually with better quality. I will almost never do better by 3D printing them, at least not if I value my own time at even minimum wage. I'd say 80 percent of the prints done by the several relatively diverse users in my household are either designed from scratch or significantly modified from whatever we found on the net. > having it fire up a cloud slicer thing, and pressing "go" is a better user experience for a novice, plain and simple, and I'm sick of arguing with your enlightened enthusiast takes here. I have a Prusa 3D printer and a Glowforge laser cutter. The Glowforge is a slick, trouble-free device in operation (or at least it will be until its tube inevitably fails). It demands much less tweaking than an FDM printer. But the "cloud" aspect of the Glowforge user experience is SHARPLY INFERIOR to either connecting the Prusa to your computer or writing files to an SD card. Even though they obviously put a lot of thought and work into making it as easy as possible, just getting the Glowforge onto the WiFi network and associated with your account is harder than installing the Prusa slicer and getting the printer running. In fact, although I don't claim to represent the average user either, I could probably compile and install Cura from source code with less effort... and I have never touched Cura before. And now you have an untrustworthy remotely controlled device that can start fires. And if you have any secret designs of your own, you're out of luck. You have no guarantee that the feature set or workflow won't change under you at any time. You also have Glowforge marketing chirping at you every time you use the damned thing. And you have the software not very subtly trying to push you to buy their overpriced materials. And, no, your average corporation can't keep itself from doing those things. If you adopt a model that drives your company toward obnoxious behavior, the smart money bets that your company will engage in obnoxious behavior, even if you claim it's "optional". In the case of Glowforge, you also have no way to add your own features... and you have a brick if they ever decide to stop supporting you. I do understand that the the 3D printers you're talking about don't have that problem at the moment, but there will always be pressure on their makers to move in that direction. In fact, when customers complained at the beginning of the preorder period, Glowforge itself promised open source firmware, although not an entire tool chain, as a form of "brick-proofing". As far as I know they've totally failed to deliver open source for any of their own code, nor even enough information about the hardware to let anybody write their own. All they've done is bare minimum GPL compliance for upstream stuff.

jacquesm 3y ago

If you're sick of arguing maybe you shouldn't be starting arguments? What you say makes very little sense. Prusa has an audience, you are not that audience. So go buy something else and write about how great your experience is instead of kicking Prusa, especially if you haven't bothered using their slicer, which is absolutely fantastic, runs locally and supports linux.

kiba 3y ago

I used both Prusaslicer and Cura. They worked. Prusaslicer comes in with built in profile for my specific Prusa machine. The generic profiles work well enough for my purposes.

riddley 3y ago

I'm sorry you're sick of having to defend your baseless claims. If you don't know about Prusaslicer, you download it, and in some cases click Next a few times to install it. You then select whatever printer(s) you have from a set of pre-populated profiles that include non-Prusa models, btw. You now have a highly tuned profile for your Prusa printer because -- and I can't stress this enough -- Prusa's QC... well exists! which means it's already better than the competition. Because they have QC, they're able to predict very well how the machine is going to behave and are able to release profiles that work very well for everyone. Also, if you don't know about Prusaslicer -- it's the origin of Bamboo's slicer. They get to ride along for free while you chant "Innovation!" Also, if you don't know about Prusaslicer, why do you feel so comfortable commenting on what Prusa has and hasn't done? Like when you say things like "comes with an ecosystem that Creality has invested in to a much greater extent than Prusa." You don't what you're talking about. > But that's the point: this product design locks it into the enthusiast market, and most consumers don't want to deal with that overhead. What product design? Cura? Why are we talking about Cura again? Oh yea, you brought it up because you used it one time. Seriously though, what product design are you talking about? I love it when people speak for "most consumers."

StayTrue 3y ago

I’ve lost track of where the goalposts are. The original author is all over the place.

huimang 3y ago

Non-technical users are going to install prusaslicer. I know, because that's what I did when I bought a prusa without knowing anything. It's the first one mentioned in the user manual.

Hizonner 3y ago

> Yes, I have used a Prusa, but I have mostly used Cura with it. You just deprived yourself of any claim to represent the "normal user". > Not that the comment you're replying to alleges that most Prusa users are using Cura, for the record. ... which kind of shows that they do NOT, in any way, shape, or form, "have to deal with the nightmare of installing and configuring Cura". You're the one who chose to use the words "have to". > this product design locks it into the enthusiast market, and most consumers don't want to deal with that overhead. There is not now, nor will there ever be, a significant "non-enthusiast" market for these devices. "Consumers" do not want to dick around with them, and a cloud slicer has negligible impact on most of the dicking around. > Clicking "print this" on a model catalogue, How many people actually do that for most of their printing? Who would buy such a device only to use canned models? If I don't want to customize things, I can trivially buy them already made, usually with better quality. I will almost never do better by 3D printing them, at least not if I value my own time at even minimum wage. I'd say 80 percent of the prints done by the several relatively diverse users in my household are either designed from scratch or significantly modified from whatever we found on the net. > having it fire up a cloud slicer thing, and pressing "go" is a better user experience for a novice, plain and simple, and I'm sick of arguing with your enlightened enthusiast takes here. I have a Prusa 3D printer and a Glowforge laser cutter. The Glowforge is a slick, trouble-free device in operation (or at least it will be until its tube inevitably fails). It demands much less tweaking than an FDM printer. But the "cloud" aspect of the Glowforge user experience is SHARPLY INFERIOR to either connecting the Prusa to your computer or writing files to an SD card. Even though they obviously put a lot of thought and work into making it as easy as possible, just getting the Glowforge onto the WiFi network and associated with your account is harder than installing the Prusa slicer and getting the printer running. In fact, although I don't claim to represent the average user either, I could probably compile and install Cura from source code with less effort... and I have never touched Cura before. And now you have an untrustworthy remotely controlled device that can start fires. And if you have any secret designs of your own, you're out of luck. You have no guarantee that the feature set or workflow won't change under you at any time. You also have Glowforge marketing chirping at you every time you use the damned thing. And you have the software not very subtly trying to push you to buy their overpriced materials. And, no, your average corporation can't keep itself from doing those things. If you adopt a model that drives your company toward obnoxious behavior, the smart money bets that your company will engage in obnoxious behavior, even if you claim it's "optional". In the case of Glowforge, you also have no way to add your own features... and you have a brick if they ever decide to stop supporting you. I do understand that the the 3D printers you're talking about don't have that problem at the moment, but there will always be pressure on their makers to move in that direction. In fact, when customers complained at the beginning of the preorder period, Glowforge itself promised open source firmware, although not an entire tool chain, as a form of "brick-proofing". As far as I know they've totally failed to deliver open source for any of their own code, nor even enough information about the hardware to let anybody write their own. All they've done is bare minimum GPL compliance for upstream stuff.