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I want to hear a real argument against individual action, aka to stop tipping. I guarantee you that if we all stopped tipping today the system would change. The
by baby 3y ago
I want to hear a real argument against individual action, aka to stop tipping. I guarantee you that if we all stopped tipping today the system would change. There really needs to be a movement to reverse the shaming of customers and to fight hidden fees in the US in general.
- techscruggs 3y agoBecause not tipping someone that makes their living off of tips is a jerk move.
- lotsofpulp 3y agoNo, expecting someone to pay you when you do not clearly tell them how much they owe you is a jerk move. Simultaneously, laws that allow employers to pay different minimum wages and required extra effort from the employee to get the full minimum wage are also jerk moves.
- junofan 3y agoI dunno, it’s just from noblesse oblige. If you don’t want to be generous to the people feeding you, then don’t tip.
- lotsofpulp 3y agoThe waiters are not feeding me. I have zero evidence that the money I give as a tip goes to the people making the food.
- pixelatedindex 3y agoWhat about the person making the food? They arguably do more work than the person who takes the order (if at all, with how you scan a QR code these days) and they bring you the food. The tips are almost always for the wait staff and doesn’t go to the kitchen.
- theultdev 3y agoThe cooks aren't being paid server wages, so you don't have to tip them. And no, servers do a lot lot more. Have you actually worked any of these jobs? I did both. There's a reason it's so damn cold in a lot of restaurants, serving is really hard work. Kitchen work is kinda fun, serving is not, but you can make good money if you're good, due to tips.
- pixelatedindex 3y agoI haven’t worked at a restaurant but I have worked at dine-in movie theaters, and have friends who have worked in the kitchen and waited tables. There are some angry people but majority of the time they set tables, take orders, bring the food, close out checks. I don’t know if that’s more work or less work than the kitchen, to me it’s about the same. I’ve always believed they should be paid in the similar ballpark as each other and eliminate tips. The restaurants being cold is news to me, majority of the places I’m familiar with felt like room temperature, except for drafts when the door is opened.
- baby 3y agoIt’s a job, you get paid for doing your job.
- pierat 3y agoImagine being angry at a customer for an employment pay problem. Oh, nevermind, it's the restaurant world, where owners figured out how to blame someone else other than themselves for slaver-level pay.
- pixelatedindex 3y agoInteresting that you think not tipping is the jerk move, in my mind the employer not paying them living wage is the real jerk move.
- baby 3y agoShaming people who don’t tip is a jerk move
- lotsofpulp 3y agoThe only mechanism I can see to make it stop would be for businesses that clearly advertise no tipping being more successful than other businesses.
- baby 3y agoThere are a number of such businesses in SF (e.g. Zazie) but I’ve heard they have trouble finding waiters because waiters can make so much money from tips.
- jokethrowaway 3y ago1. It's not going to lower prices - prices will just go up to compensate for higher wages 2. You can't force a market to act in a certain way, you can't make everyone stops tipping. It's a problem which exists only in your head, decide how much to standard-tip in advance and then just use that amount to think about how expensive a place is. If people treat you badly for it (either bad service or reputation among peers) raise it and shop in cheaper places. You can't change the world, change yourself.
- Nathanba 3y ago>2. You can't force a market to act in a certain way, you can't make everyone stops tipping. of course you can, simply make tipping illegal and it will stop
- baby 3y agoI think everybody wants 1. at this point. I want to pay more so I don’t have to worry about tipping and taxes at the end.
- DonsDiscountGas 3y ago"Everybody just stop" is not a solution to this or any other problem, because everybody is not going to just stop. I've seen restaurants that put "we will add a 20% gratuity to every bill" on the menu, which is a good idea but restaurants still need to do it. And "every restaurant just do X" is also not realistic. My suggestions are twofold: 1. Remove any exception in minimum wage laws for "tipped employees". So at least they're now making minimum wage. 2. Outlaw tipping. Hard to enforce, but it does mean that every piece of software (apps, in restaurant screens) will no longer have the option to tip. So if people want to tip they need to do so in cash, and paying in cash is rare and getting rarer.
- jrajav 3y agoThe obvious solution is #1. Tip credits were a greedy and completely unnecessary policy from the start that should never have made it into law. Removing them again will undercut one of the main reasons everyone still feels obligated to tip at restaurants.
- HeavenFox 3y agoUnfortunately it doesn’t work. There are a few states where the minimum wage is the same for tipped employees, but tipping is still required in those states :(
- baby 3y agoDoes it matter if not everybody stops? What if some threshold of people stopped? Actually what is the current percentage of people tipping?