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That's a complete dodge, and exhibits exactly the kind of arrogance people complain about when physicians ignore what patients have to say. People have valid op

That's a complete dodge, and exhibits exactly the kind of arrogance people complain about when physicians ignore what patients have to say. People have valid opinions and expectations of their own healthcare or that of loved ones, no matter whether they can design or refine a medical school curriculum or not. It's silly to suggest that nothing they have to say is valid if they can't. People know when they or their family are receiving good care, and when they are not. To reject their experiences is, again, arrogance.

tekla 3y ago
No its not. Random people have no fucking clue what they're talking about, HN is a perfect example. As it turns out, looking at WebMD for 15 minutes is actually not a comprehensive medical education. Both parents are doctors. They complain all the time how they get patients who have no idea what they are talking about come and assume they know better than them. Patients lie ALL THE TIME for no reason at all. Patients also expect long periods of 1:1 time with Doctors about dumb BS a Resident could handle by tossing handfuls of Motrin at the patients general direction and counting how many pills fall into their mouths. I personally saw one patient scream many slurs at a Doctor for being bad at medicine after the doctor asked what drugs they may have taken (a innocuous question), and ripped out their IV and ran away. This is the shit that Doctors/Nurses/Medical staff deal with. Hospitals are not a place to go to be pampered.
- junofan 3y ago
  The 1949 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine suggests the medical field can probably do a better job at building trust with the public. It’s a two-way street after all.
wavemode 3y ago
I know when my restaurant food tastes good and when it doesn't. But if I've never cooked the dish before, I don't know the first thing about how exactly to improve it. Someone can know that their loved one was given substandard care, yet not know enough to know how to improve the system such that the care would have been better. Case in point: the family of the patient who died in the linked article, seem to think the systemic improvement that is needed is neurodivergence training. When in actuality, it was a failure to take into account the medical history of the patient which led to the malpractice that caused his death. It wasn't that the doctors didn't know what autism was or something.
nradov 3y ago
Actually, most patients have no clue when they are receiving good care or not. For example, studies have shown that patient satisfaction after an office visit is highly correlated with whether they received a prescription. A lot of patients feel like they got their money's worth if the doctor hands them a script, regardless of whether they needed it.

tekla 3y ago

No its not. Random people have no fucking clue what they're talking about, HN is a perfect example. As it turns out, looking at WebMD for 15 minutes is actually not a comprehensive medical education. Both parents are doctors. They complain all the time how they get patients who have no idea what they are talking about come and assume they know better than them. Patients lie ALL THE TIME for no reason at all. Patients also expect long periods of 1:1 time with Doctors about dumb BS a Resident could handle by tossing handfuls of Motrin at the patients general direction and counting how many pills fall into their mouths. I personally saw one patient scream many slurs at a Doctor for being bad at medicine after the doctor asked what drugs they may have taken (a innocuous question), and ripped out their IV and ran away. This is the shit that Doctors/Nurses/Medical staff deal with. Hospitals are not a place to go to be pampered.

junofan 3y ago
The 1949 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine suggests the medical field can probably do a better job at building trust with the public. It’s a two-way street after all.

wavemode 3y ago

I know when my restaurant food tastes good and when it doesn't. But if I've never cooked the dish before, I don't know the first thing about how exactly to improve it. Someone can know that their loved one was given substandard care, yet not know enough to know how to improve the system such that the care would have been better. Case in point: the family of the patient who died in the linked article, seem to think the systemic improvement that is needed is neurodivergence training. When in actuality, it was a failure to take into account the medical history of the patient which led to the malpractice that caused his death. It wasn't that the doctors didn't know what autism was or something.

nradov 3y ago

Actually, most patients have no clue when they are receiving good care or not. For example, studies have shown that patient satisfaction after an office visit is highly correlated with whether they received a prescription. A lot of patients feel like they got their money's worth if the doctor hands them a script, regardless of whether they needed it.