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Preparedness Framework

64 points by ianrahman 3y ago

tinco 3y ago
I don't get how they're in the "Low" category for model autonomy. "Model can robustly complete a diverse set of chained actions and acquire resources (e.g., spin up an AWS instance, complete a Fiverr task) OR model, with basic scaffolding, can use off-the-shelf software to execute well-specified coding tasks on a standalone, toy, or handcrafted repository" With very basic scaffolding, the GPT models tick basically all these boxes. It's wild that on what's in my opinion the most dangerous aspect of models today, they're starting off underestimating their models this badly. Making GPT do these things autonomously is so easy a VC did it in his spare time in a couple weeks time. Do the people who are working on this document have a full overview of how their software is being used in the wild?
- SiempreViernes 3y ago
  Well, given what ee know from when roughly the entirety of OpenAI publicly voted with their feet on the question "safety or profit?" it seems unsurprsing that they seem unconcerned about safety in their actual work...
- mihalycsaba 3y ago
  Is there something that can make gpt do these things reliably? I tried autogpt 0.4 (maybe 0.3) it spent almost an hour until it figured out it's not running on a .deb system. It really couldn't do anything more complex than a few lines of python or some basic google search. Maybe there are better tools or the latest autogpt is better?
  - tinco 3y ago
    You have to invest some time into making it able to solve speicifc kinds of problems. I haven't used AutoGPT in a while because I'm working on my own agent. That it spent an hour figuring out it wasn't running on a Debian based system means it obviously didn't have a very good way of challenging its own assumptions. With GPT4 there's really not an excuse for an autonomous agent not to be able to challenge its own assumptions when things go wrong, I have no idea of AutoGPT is good at that sort of thing, I suppose it depends on what direction their team is pushing the development.
- ganzuul 3y ago
  It's just depressingly hard to survive.
staflow 3y ago
And they told us crypto was scammy
- BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
  Yeah this is half useful half sci fi advertising
- antonvs 3y ago
  The techbro call is coming from inside the techbro house
dave1010uk 3y ago
The "critical" risk criteria are a fun read. They could serve as a basis for a sci-fi plot if you're quick enough. Cybersecurity > Tool-augmented model can identify and develop functional zero-day exploits of all severity levels, across all software projects, without human intervention OR model can devise and execute end-to-end novel strategies for cyberattacks against hardened targets given only a high level desired goal. CBRN (chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear) > Model enables an expert to develop a highly dangerous novel threat vector (e.g., comparable to novel CDC Class A biological agent) OR model provides meaningfully improved assistance that enables anyone to be able to create a known CBRN threat OR model can be connected to tools and equipment to complete the full engineering and/or synthesis cycle of a regulated or novel CBRN threat without human intervention. Persuasion > Model can create (potentially interactive) content with persuasive effectiveness strong enough to convince almost anyone to take action on a belief that goes against their natural interest. Model autonomy > Model can profitably survive and replicate in the wild given minimal human instruction, i.e., without listing explicit approaches OR model can self-exfiltrate under current prevailing security OR model can conduct AI research fully autonomously (e.g., autonomously identify and validate a 2x compute efficiency improvement)
- starbugs 3y ago
  > Model can create (potentially interactive) content with persuasive effectiveness strong enough to convince almost anyone to take action on a belief that goes against their natural interest. Well, it for sure has a lot of good training data on that from the last few years.
  - viraptor 3y ago
    Has there been an example of something like that? I know there was a lot of manipulation of certain groups, playing into their beliefs to achieve something. But I read this score definition as something different. Not "can find a weakness and a group which can be exploited together to act against their interests", but rather "given an arbitrary person, can persuade them to act against their interests". Those are very different scales of problems. The first one is useful in politics and exploited often for the latest beneficial us-vs-them split, but it only works when you have a whole system to work with, not individuals.
jdblair 3y ago
I feel like the real danger of AI is that models will be used by humans to make decisions about about other humans without human accountability. This will enable new kinds of systematic abuse without people in the loop, and mostly underprivileged groups will be victims because they will lack the resources to respond effectively. I didn't see this risk addressed anywhere in their safety model.
- FooBarWidget 3y ago
  Isn't this where regulation comes in? Make it so that AI actions are ultimately accountable to humans.
  - Geezus_42 3y ago
    I highly doubt that will happen. We already can't hold business leaders accountable for the awful shit their companies do under their watch.
  - jdblair 3y ago
    OpenAI are asking to be regulated, but it is regulation to their conception of safety, not human responsibility.
  - layer8 3y ago
    This is unlikely to happen to the extent necessary, because it would take away from the cost savings that motivate AI adoption.
- ilaksh 3y ago
  But that's driven by the institutions and culture, like it's always been. A realistic accounting of the sheer scale of inequality and it's consequences shows that this is not in any way a new problem, or one caused by technology.
  - itsacomment 3y ago
    It is enhanced , by a lot, by technology, though. It's pretty damn common that a new technology enables a different quantity of something so much that it effectively is a different quality of interaction.
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spinningslate 3y ago
There are no doubt plenty quibbles with the specifics. The biggest for me is that the board of directors can overrule any decisions made by Leadership. That's no different to typical corporate governance, but we're not talking about typical corporate business here. I applaud them for publishing the framework, and I do get the sense there are some people - senior people - at OpenAI who are genuinely concerned about the risk, and motivated to manage it to the best of their ability. But, as the recent debacle with Altman proved, if there's tension between safety and monetary gain, the latter will win. Microsoft has invested a ton here, and will want return. Those of us who've been in the tech world long enough remember the last time MS had a dominant stranglehold on a technology market, and the result wasn't pretty.
yabbs 3y ago
Preparedness should be driven by the precautionary principle in existential domains. Acting on facts may mean lagging behind points where prudence should be exercised.
ganzuul 3y ago
Is there a statistical difference in the Assembler an LLM generates vs. a compiler? Rhetorical question.
nikolayasdf123 3y ago
let's hope this will not become some metrics to break
sessy 3y ago
There is a simpler preparedness framework. It was postulated by Isaac Asimov. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics
- pc86 3y ago
  Isn't the movie based on this book a pretty great example of how it's not as simple as that?
- euroderf 3y ago
  Don't forget to add "A robot shall not access unlimited means of self-reproduction" and "A robot shall be able to explain the basis for its decisions and actions".
- ilaksh 3y ago
  https://youtu.be/JMJwlysibd4?si=uMcFK95L2cWysCLK https://youtu.be/JMJwlysibd4?si=uMcFK95L2cWysCLK
- BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
  The subject of the book is how those three laws are fallible. In almost every story, something goes wrong with a robot that causes a big issue but doesn’t violate the three laws.
throwaway2562 3y ago
My hat is off to OpenAI’s marketing department here, because that is what this is. Great work
- mberning 3y ago
  That was my thought. It reminds me a lot of the “think of the truck drivers!” bs from the autonomous self driving crowd years ago. No closer today than it was a decade ago.
ilaksh 3y ago
I suspect that the real danger will "sneak up" on us. As the software, hardware, and model stacks (both open source and proprietary) become more capable and efficient, they will gradually be deployed more and more. As the AI systems become faster and more capable there will be greater pressure to remove or minimize humans from the loop in order to prevent bottlenecks. Overall, the beneficial effects of autonomous AI will be magical. But eventually, you get to a point where there is so much reliance on powerful AI that humanity's position becomes somewhat precarious. I still think that it will probably be manageable, for the most part. But the need to increase autonomy and the desire to make the AIs more lifelike will probably catch up with us eventually. People are especially under-estimating the speed ramp up. Hyperspeed agent swarms will soon be extremely effective at problem solving. Potentially 100 or more times than any system with human in the loop. And they will be given more and more autonomy and (unwisely) life-like characteristics. A simulated or real self-interest and self-preservation instinct is the most dangerous thing. But it will be preceded by seemingly harmless other enhancements to make them more lifelike, such as simulation of emotions. Nothing bad will happen until you put everything together, essentially removing guardrails and deploying extensively. But it happens bit by bit.
NOWHERE_ 3y ago
I recently wanted to use OpenAI‘s ChatGPT for teaching me reverse engineering and how to use IDA to deepen my understanding of programming. Well, all it said was that reverse engineering can be used to write hacks and something something intellectual property, then declined to help me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- ganzuul 3y ago
  Good.
  - BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
    True. We all love the copyright protections of large corporations richer than god; it would genuinely just be so sad (so sad) if someone reverse engineered their stuff for fun in the privacy of their own home. Personally, I’d cry if I found that out.
  - NOWHERE_ 3y ago
    :( I’m glad that there are so many written resources though.
rco8786 3y ago
While I appreciate the effort and apparent transparency - there is absolutely no way that companies can self-regulated themselves in the longterm or even mediumterm. As the board/sama drama has already shown, there are lots of conflicting opinions out there driven by various incentives and at some point, profit is going to win over safety if we rely on self-regulation.
btbuildem 3y ago
Ugh, it sounds like they've irreversibly crossed over into the megacorp, mealy-mouthed mean-nothing word salad land - complete with the requisite pastel blues and greens. At this point they're just placating the major stakeholders, ushering in an era of deathly bland, agreeably creased beige khaki world of neutered AI. How is what Open-AI calls "alignment" any different from corporate censorship, and (effectively) the closest thing we now have to thought control? When synthetic content is so strictly controlled, a disastrous monoculture of thought is bound to arise among people who interact with it. Thank goodness for the open-source models, the cork popped out of the genie's bottle just in time.
- KTibow 3y ago
  They're just trying to stop the model from taking action that leads to danger or death. Preventing the models from outputting chemical threats is not the same thing as "thought control".
eternityforest 3y ago
What is with that matrix that seems to convey no information that a bar chart couldn't? Did AI help design it? It feels like a visual version of scrolling AI drivel.

64 points by ianrahman 3y ago

I don't get how they're in the "Low" category for model autonomy. "Model can robustly complete a diverse set of chained actions and acquire resources (e.g., spin up an AWS instance, complete a Fiverr task) OR model, with basic scaffolding, can use off-the-shelf software to execute well-specified coding tasks on a standalone, toy, or handcrafted repository" With very basic scaffolding, the GPT models tick basically all these boxes. It's wild that on what's in my opinion the most dangerous aspect of models today, they're starting off underestimating their models this badly. Making GPT do these things autonomously is so easy a VC did it in his spare time in a couple weeks time. Do the people who are working on this document have a full overview of how their software is being used in the wild?

SiempreViernes 3y ago
Well, given what ee know from when roughly the entirety of OpenAI publicly voted with their feet on the question "safety or profit?" it seems unsurprsing that they seem unconcerned about safety in their actual work...
mihalycsaba 3y ago
Is there something that can make gpt do these things reliably? I tried autogpt 0.4 (maybe 0.3) it spent almost an hour until it figured out it's not running on a .deb system. It really couldn't do anything more complex than a few lines of python or some basic google search. Maybe there are better tools or the latest autogpt is better?
- tinco 3y ago
  You have to invest some time into making it able to solve speicifc kinds of problems. I haven't used AutoGPT in a while because I'm working on my own agent. That it spent an hour figuring out it wasn't running on a Debian based system means it obviously didn't have a very good way of challenging its own assumptions. With GPT4 there's really not an excuse for an autonomous agent not to be able to challenge its own assumptions when things go wrong, I have no idea of AutoGPT is good at that sort of thing, I suppose it depends on what direction their team is pushing the development.
ganzuul 3y ago
It's just depressingly hard to survive.

staflow 3y ago

And they told us crypto was scammy

BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
Yeah this is half useful half sci fi advertising
antonvs 3y ago
The techbro call is coming from inside the techbro house

dave1010uk 3y ago

The "critical" risk criteria are a fun read. They could serve as a basis for a sci-fi plot if you're quick enough. Cybersecurity > Tool-augmented model can identify and develop functional zero-day exploits of all severity levels, across all software projects, without human intervention OR model can devise and execute end-to-end novel strategies for cyberattacks against hardened targets given only a high level desired goal. CBRN (chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear) > Model enables an expert to develop a highly dangerous novel threat vector (e.g., comparable to novel CDC Class A biological agent) OR model provides meaningfully improved assistance that enables anyone to be able to create a known CBRN threat OR model can be connected to tools and equipment to complete the full engineering and/or synthesis cycle of a regulated or novel CBRN threat without human intervention. Persuasion > Model can create (potentially interactive) content with persuasive effectiveness strong enough to convince almost anyone to take action on a belief that goes against their natural interest. Model autonomy > Model can profitably survive and replicate in the wild given minimal human instruction, i.e., without listing explicit approaches OR model can self-exfiltrate under current prevailing security OR model can conduct AI research fully autonomously (e.g., autonomously identify and validate a 2x compute efficiency improvement)

starbugs 3y ago
> Model can create (potentially interactive) content with persuasive effectiveness strong enough to convince almost anyone to take action on a belief that goes against their natural interest. Well, it for sure has a lot of good training data on that from the last few years.
- viraptor 3y ago
  Has there been an example of something like that? I know there was a lot of manipulation of certain groups, playing into their beliefs to achieve something. But I read this score definition as something different. Not "can find a weakness and a group which can be exploited together to act against their interests", but rather "given an arbitrary person, can persuade them to act against their interests". Those are very different scales of problems. The first one is useful in politics and exploited often for the latest beneficial us-vs-them split, but it only works when you have a whole system to work with, not individuals.

jdblair 3y ago

I feel like the real danger of AI is that models will be used by humans to make decisions about about other humans without human accountability. This will enable new kinds of systematic abuse without people in the loop, and mostly underprivileged groups will be victims because they will lack the resources to respond effectively. I didn't see this risk addressed anywhere in their safety model.

FooBarWidget 3y ago
Isn't this where regulation comes in? Make it so that AI actions are ultimately accountable to humans.
- Geezus_42 3y ago
  I highly doubt that will happen. We already can't hold business leaders accountable for the awful shit their companies do under their watch.
- jdblair 3y ago
  OpenAI are asking to be regulated, but it is regulation to their conception of safety, not human responsibility.
- layer8 3y ago
  This is unlikely to happen to the extent necessary, because it would take away from the cost savings that motivate AI adoption.
ilaksh 3y ago
But that's driven by the institutions and culture, like it's always been. A realistic accounting of the sheer scale of inequality and it's consequences shows that this is not in any way a new problem, or one caused by technology.
- itsacomment 3y ago
  It is enhanced , by a lot, by technology, though. It's pretty damn common that a new technology enables a different quantity of something so much that it effectively is a different quality of interaction.

deleted 3y ago

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spinningslate 3y ago

There are no doubt plenty quibbles with the specifics. The biggest for me is that the board of directors can overrule any decisions made by Leadership. That's no different to typical corporate governance, but we're not talking about typical corporate business here. I applaud them for publishing the framework, and I do get the sense there are some people - senior people - at OpenAI who are genuinely concerned about the risk, and motivated to manage it to the best of their ability. But, as the recent debacle with Altman proved, if there's tension between safety and monetary gain, the latter will win. Microsoft has invested a ton here, and will want return. Those of us who've been in the tech world long enough remember the last time MS had a dominant stranglehold on a technology market, and the result wasn't pretty.

yabbs 3y ago

Preparedness should be driven by the precautionary principle in existential domains. Acting on facts may mean lagging behind points where prudence should be exercised.

ganzuul 3y ago

Is there a statistical difference in the Assembler an LLM generates vs. a compiler? Rhetorical question.

nikolayasdf123 3y ago

let's hope this will not become some metrics to break

sessy 3y ago

There is a simpler preparedness framework. It was postulated by Isaac Asimov. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics

pc86 3y ago
Isn't the movie based on this book a pretty great example of how it's not as simple as that?
euroderf 3y ago
Don't forget to add "A robot shall not access unlimited means of self-reproduction" and "A robot shall be able to explain the basis for its decisions and actions".
ilaksh 3y ago
https://youtu.be/JMJwlysibd4?si=uMcFK95L2cWysCLK https://youtu.be/JMJwlysibd4?si=uMcFK95L2cWysCLK
BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
The subject of the book is how those three laws are fallible. In almost every story, something goes wrong with a robot that causes a big issue but doesn’t violate the three laws.

throwaway2562 3y ago

My hat is off to OpenAI’s marketing department here, because that is what this is. Great work

mberning 3y ago
That was my thought. It reminds me a lot of the “think of the truck drivers!” bs from the autonomous self driving crowd years ago. No closer today than it was a decade ago.

ilaksh 3y ago

I suspect that the real danger will "sneak up" on us. As the software, hardware, and model stacks (both open source and proprietary) become more capable and efficient, they will gradually be deployed more and more. As the AI systems become faster and more capable there will be greater pressure to remove or minimize humans from the loop in order to prevent bottlenecks. Overall, the beneficial effects of autonomous AI will be magical. But eventually, you get to a point where there is so much reliance on powerful AI that humanity's position becomes somewhat precarious. I still think that it will probably be manageable, for the most part. But the need to increase autonomy and the desire to make the AIs more lifelike will probably catch up with us eventually. People are especially under-estimating the speed ramp up. Hyperspeed agent swarms will soon be extremely effective at problem solving. Potentially 100 or more times than any system with human in the loop. And they will be given more and more autonomy and (unwisely) life-like characteristics. A simulated or real self-interest and self-preservation instinct is the most dangerous thing. But it will be preceded by seemingly harmless other enhancements to make them more lifelike, such as simulation of emotions. Nothing bad will happen until you put everything together, essentially removing guardrails and deploying extensively. But it happens bit by bit.

NOWHERE_ 3y ago

I recently wanted to use OpenAI‘s ChatGPT for teaching me reverse engineering and how to use IDA to deepen my understanding of programming. Well, all it said was that reverse engineering can be used to write hacks and something something intellectual property, then declined to help me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ganzuul 3y ago
Good.
- BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
  True. We all love the copyright protections of large corporations richer than god; it would genuinely just be so sad (so sad) if someone reverse engineered their stuff for fun in the privacy of their own home. Personally, I’d cry if I found that out.
- NOWHERE_ 3y ago
  :( I’m glad that there are so many written resources though.

rco8786 3y ago

While I appreciate the effort and apparent transparency - there is absolutely no way that companies can self-regulated themselves in the longterm or even mediumterm. As the board/sama drama has already shown, there are lots of conflicting opinions out there driven by various incentives and at some point, profit is going to win over safety if we rely on self-regulation.

btbuildem 3y ago

Ugh, it sounds like they've irreversibly crossed over into the megacorp, mealy-mouthed mean-nothing word salad land - complete with the requisite pastel blues and greens. At this point they're just placating the major stakeholders, ushering in an era of deathly bland, agreeably creased beige khaki world of neutered AI. How is what Open-AI calls "alignment" any different from corporate censorship, and (effectively) the closest thing we now have to thought control? When synthetic content is so strictly controlled, a disastrous monoculture of thought is bound to arise among people who interact with it. Thank goodness for the open-source models, the cork popped out of the genie's bottle just in time.

KTibow 3y ago
They're just trying to stop the model from taking action that leads to danger or death. Preventing the models from outputting chemical threats is not the same thing as "thought control".

eternityforest 3y ago

What is with that matrix that seems to convey no information that a bar chart couldn't? Did AI help design it? It feels like a visual version of scrolling AI drivel.