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Comparing the chant "from the river to the sea" with the confederate flag is completely preposterous. The chant is a call for liberation. Anyone who has a probl

Comparing the chant "from the river to the sea" with the confederate flag is completely preposterous. The chant is a call for liberation. Anyone who has a problem with someone's freedom is themselves a racist and probably has a lot of views in common with what the confederate flag stands for. Fwiw, the phrase was coined by Jewish settlers in the 1930's (https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2018-12-16/ty-article-opinion/.premium/hamas-owes-its-from-the-river-to-the-sea-slogan-to-zionists/0000017f-deef-d3ff-a7ff-ffef96ca0000 https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2018-12-16/ty-artic...) and ADL is an anti-Palestinian hate organization whose opinions no one should take seriously. > You can’t travel to my “moderate Muslim” country with an Israeli passport. Guess why that is? Perhaps for exactly the same reason Russian passport holders aren't welcome in a lot of places?

tety 3y ago
isn’t the original context of the confederate flag liberation from federalism? don’t think just the fact someone believes they are liberating something makes it right, as in their eyes the russians in the current war are liberating ukraine
- bjourne 3y ago
  From what I've read about the American civil war is that all historians agree that the rebellion was about the right to hold slaves. The argument about federalisim is a narrative constructed afterwards to evoke sympathy for the rebels. If not those who use the phase - and have been using it in exactly the same way for decades - can decide what it means, then who can? Should we apply the same argument to "pro choice" and agreee that that it is a call for premediated murder of infants because that is what the "pro life" crowd thinks?
  - slibhb 3y ago
    > From what I've read about the American civil war is that all historians agree that the rebellion was about the right to hold slaves. The argument about federalisim is a narrative constructed afterwards to evoke sympathy for the rebels. People often say this but I see no contradiction between the American Civil War being about slavery and it being about states' rights. It was about the states' rights to own slaves! That aside, the idea that "all historians agree" is absurd.
  - tety 3y ago
    Sure slavery and racism is a huge part of it, but don't forget it's called 'the confederacy'. You can't claim this is constructed afterwards when it's plainly in the name
baobabKoodaa 3y ago
Yes, "liberation" of the land currently occupied by jews. Just need to find a solution for them. Preferrably something final.
lovelyviking 3y ago
> … whose opinions no one should take seriously. Should we take your opinion seriously instead? Unfortunately you do not share it. You’ve repeatedly been asked “What Israel should do in your opinion in current situation and what outcome you expect once it does it?” and you repeatedly have failed to produce any answer to that question even in simplified form. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38582722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38582722 > The chant is a call for liberation. Let’s try again : How this “liberation” would look like ? And what outcome you expect to see once it’s done ?

tety 3y ago

isn’t the original context of the confederate flag liberation from federalism? don’t think just the fact someone believes they are liberating something makes it right, as in their eyes the russians in the current war are liberating ukraine

bjourne 3y ago
From what I've read about the American civil war is that all historians agree that the rebellion was about the right to hold slaves. The argument about federalisim is a narrative constructed afterwards to evoke sympathy for the rebels. If not those who use the phase - and have been using it in exactly the same way for decades - can decide what it means, then who can? Should we apply the same argument to "pro choice" and agreee that that it is a call for premediated murder of infants because that is what the "pro life" crowd thinks?
- slibhb 3y ago
  > From what I've read about the American civil war is that all historians agree that the rebellion was about the right to hold slaves. The argument about federalisim is a narrative constructed afterwards to evoke sympathy for the rebels. People often say this but I see no contradiction between the American Civil War being about slavery and it being about states' rights. It was about the states' rights to own slaves! That aside, the idea that "all historians agree" is absurd.
- tety 3y ago
  Sure slavery and racism is a huge part of it, but don't forget it's called 'the confederacy'. You can't claim this is constructed afterwards when it's plainly in the name

baobabKoodaa 3y ago

Yes, "liberation" of the land currently occupied by jews. Just need to find a solution for them. Preferrably something final.

lovelyviking 3y ago

> … whose opinions no one should take seriously. Should we take your opinion seriously instead? Unfortunately you do not share it. You’ve repeatedly been asked “What Israel should do in your opinion in current situation and what outcome you expect once it does it?” and you repeatedly have failed to produce any answer to that question even in simplified form. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38582722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38582722 > The chant is a call for liberation. Let’s try again : How this “liberation” would look like ? And what outcome you expect to see once it’s done ?