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I'm not sure it's correct to classify this particular instance as either left- or right-wing; additionally, misinformation should be censored. From the article

I'm not sure it's correct to classify this particular instance as either left- or right-wing; additionally, misinformation should be censored. From the article: >Examples it cites include content originating from more than 60 countries, mostly in English, and all in “peaceful support of Palestine, expressed in diverse ways”. Even HRW’s own posts seeking examples of online censorship were flagged as spam This issue seems almost parallel to the paradox of tolerance in that algorithms which promote content at a global scale - largely without human oversight - should not be unregulated. It is factual to say that human rights violations are occurring in Palestine. It is also factual to say that people have a right to defend themselves, and to recognize that atrocities are atrocious. But to silence the already-oppressed furthers oppression, and Meta is to blame here, again. We should also consider the potential implications that Meta, with a market capitalization of hundreds of billions of dollars, has in regard to US foreign policy vis-a-vis support of Israel.

orenlindsey 3y ago
Supporting Palestine is generally a left-wing view (proof: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/07/11/american-views-of-israel/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/07/11/american-views...). So Meta is censoring a mostly left-wing viewpoint.
- boston_clone 3y ago
  What you've cited is US-centric; it's both reductive and fallacious to categorize this as left- or right-wing, when again, the article states that this phenomenon was observed in more than 60 countries. Perhaps where you're located it is a predominately left-wing viewpoint, but the rest of the world in general is very much against what Israel is and has been doing. The casual admission that support of war crimes / apartheid being a US right-wing viewpoint is somewhat unsurprising, though.
  - SgtBastard 3y ago
    > "the rest of the world in general is very much against what Israel is and has been doing. The casual admission that support of war crimes / apartheid..." The "rest of the world" in general supports a ceasefire in the Gaza strip as evidenced by recent UN votes. I'm not aware of any Anglosphere, European or Asian nation describing Israel's actions as either war-crimes or perpetuating apartheid. While I'm happy to be corrected with sources - conflating the two seems like both a extreme reach and needlessly political.
    - boston_clone 3y ago
      The majority of the UN has consistently recognized and attempted to resolve what Israel is doing, as evidenced by their voting history in the years (decades?) prior to the events of the last few months. For your situational awareness, sarge - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes Don’t just downvote; lmk what you think!
      - SgtBastard 3y ago
        I didn't downvote you but I can see why you were - your Wikipedia article doesn't support your argument - the strongest point it makes is that the UN HRC has an enquiry into Israel's actions. There's several references to various NGOs calling for action against Israel but as we've seen recently at the Harvard and other Ivy's, that's deeply murky territory. That's very, very far away from your claim that the rest of the world generally accepts that Israel is committing war crimes and instituting apartheid. To repeat, its well established that the rest of the world generally (and increasingly) supports a humanitarian ceasefire in the region.
        boston_clone 3y ago
        Desmond Tutu alleges "much like what happened to us black people in South Africa": https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/06/southafrica.israel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/06/southafrica.is... Irish President accuses Israel of war crimes: https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-irelands-sinn-fein-on-the-rise-support-for-israel-hits-new-low-post-oct-7/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-irelands-sinn-fein-on-the... UN Representatives from South Africa, UK, and India author report on war crimes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Fact_Finding_Mission_on_the_Gaza_Conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Fact_Finding_Mi... Israel's Attorney General accuses state of apartheid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Israel#Accusations_of_apartheid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Israel#Accusation... Then-VP Biden criticizes settlements in east Jerusalem: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/09/AR2010030900497.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/0... ...and similar statements from an EU High Representative: https://www.consilium.europa.eu//uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/EN/foraff/118727.pdf https://www.consilium.europa.eu//uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressd... US Department of State report on racism / discrimination: https://2001-2009.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41723.htm https://2001-2009.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41723.htm UK MP compares actions to Nazi Germany: https://www.jta.org/2009/01/16/global/mp-kaufman-likens-israelis-to-nazis https://www.jta.org/2009/01/16/global/mp-kaufman-likens-isra... Ergodan describes enacted laws as Zionist, fascist: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-state-law-turkey-erdogan-netanyahu-arabic-settlements-west-bank-hitler-a8461991.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-... South African cabinet minister "That is what apartheid and Israel have in common": https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/06/southafrica.israel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/06/southafrica.is... That should be a sufficient sample to show this viewpoint is not isolated to only NGOs or one geographic area, and the variance in time should highlight how long this commonly-held recognition has been stated publicly by elected officials.
  - baobabKoodaa 3y ago
    It's not accurate to say that the non U.S. world largely supports Palestine in this conflict. At least the EU seems to lean more towards Israel support.
- lelanthran 3y ago
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logicchains 3y ago
>misinformation should be censored. Misinformation is just information that people in power don't want people knowing.
rightbyte 3y ago
> misinformation should be censored. This is such a fallacy. When the ones in power don't allign with your view, your view will be "missinformation". The Vietnam war, Iraq war all got started on made up missinformation. Guess what kind of "missinformation" any laws about it would target?
- boston_clone 3y ago
  How is it a fallacy? I mean misinformation by definition; you’re correct that power structures may distort truth to achieve an objective, and that’s not good - that’s the prima facie misinformation I’m talking about here. I agree it would have been better if news outlets like the NYT didn’t regurgitate things like weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as factual, but that will happen when the intelligence community is embedded at said news organizations.
  - rightbyte 3y ago
    The fallacy is that there will be no objective classification of what is considered misinformation. Rather, it will be arbitrary. So you can't censor misinformation. You will censor information.
    - boston_clone 3y ago
      As someone who professionally dealt in mis- and dis-information, I strongly disagree. It sounds as though you’re bending the definition to your own dystopian ideas.

orenlindsey 3y ago

Supporting Palestine is generally a left-wing view (proof: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/07/11/american-views-of-israel/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/07/11/american-views...). So Meta is censoring a mostly left-wing viewpoint.

boston_clone 3y ago
What you've cited is US-centric; it's both reductive and fallacious to categorize this as left- or right-wing, when again, the article states that this phenomenon was observed in more than 60 countries. Perhaps where you're located it is a predominately left-wing viewpoint, but the rest of the world in general is very much against what Israel is and has been doing. The casual admission that support of war crimes / apartheid being a US right-wing viewpoint is somewhat unsurprising, though.
- SgtBastard 3y ago
  > "the rest of the world in general is very much against what Israel is and has been doing. The casual admission that support of war crimes / apartheid..." The "rest of the world" in general supports a ceasefire in the Gaza strip as evidenced by recent UN votes. I'm not aware of any Anglosphere, European or Asian nation describing Israel's actions as either war-crimes or perpetuating apartheid. While I'm happy to be corrected with sources - conflating the two seems like both a extreme reach and needlessly political.
  - boston_clone 3y ago
    The majority of the UN has consistently recognized and attempted to resolve what Israel is doing, as evidenced by their voting history in the years (decades?) prior to the events of the last few months. For your situational awareness, sarge - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes Don’t just downvote; lmk what you think!
    - SgtBastard 3y ago
      I didn't downvote you but I can see why you were - your Wikipedia article doesn't support your argument - the strongest point it makes is that the UN HRC has an enquiry into Israel's actions. There's several references to various NGOs calling for action against Israel but as we've seen recently at the Harvard and other Ivy's, that's deeply murky territory. That's very, very far away from your claim that the rest of the world generally accepts that Israel is committing war crimes and instituting apartheid. To repeat, its well established that the rest of the world generally (and increasingly) supports a humanitarian ceasefire in the region.
      - boston_clone 3y ago
        Desmond Tutu alleges "much like what happened to us black people in South Africa": https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/06/southafrica.israel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/06/southafrica.is... Irish President accuses Israel of war crimes: https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-irelands-sinn-fein-on-the-rise-support-for-israel-hits-new-low-post-oct-7/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-irelands-sinn-fein-on-the... UN Representatives from South Africa, UK, and India author report on war crimes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Fact_Finding_Mission_on_the_Gaza_Conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Fact_Finding_Mi... Israel's Attorney General accuses state of apartheid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Israel#Accusations_of_apartheid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Israel#Accusation... Then-VP Biden criticizes settlements in east Jerusalem: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/09/AR2010030900497.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/0... ...and similar statements from an EU High Representative: https://www.consilium.europa.eu//uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/EN/foraff/118727.pdf https://www.consilium.europa.eu//uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressd... US Department of State report on racism / discrimination: https://2001-2009.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41723.htm https://2001-2009.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41723.htm UK MP compares actions to Nazi Germany: https://www.jta.org/2009/01/16/global/mp-kaufman-likens-israelis-to-nazis https://www.jta.org/2009/01/16/global/mp-kaufman-likens-isra... Ergodan describes enacted laws as Zionist, fascist: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-state-law-turkey-erdogan-netanyahu-arabic-settlements-west-bank-hitler-a8461991.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-... South African cabinet minister "That is what apartheid and Israel have in common": https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/06/southafrica.israel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/06/southafrica.is... That should be a sufficient sample to show this viewpoint is not isolated to only NGOs or one geographic area, and the variance in time should highlight how long this commonly-held recognition has been stated publicly by elected officials.
- baobabKoodaa 3y ago
  It's not accurate to say that the non U.S. world largely supports Palestine in this conflict. At least the EU seems to lean more towards Israel support.
lelanthran 3y ago
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logicchains 3y ago

>misinformation should be censored. Misinformation is just information that people in power don't want people knowing.

rightbyte 3y ago

> misinformation should be censored. This is such a fallacy. When the ones in power don't allign with your view, your view will be "missinformation". The Vietnam war, Iraq war all got started on made up missinformation. Guess what kind of "missinformation" any laws about it would target?

boston_clone 3y ago
How is it a fallacy? I mean misinformation by definition; you’re correct that power structures may distort truth to achieve an objective, and that’s not good - that’s the prima facie misinformation I’m talking about here. I agree it would have been better if news outlets like the NYT didn’t regurgitate things like weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as factual, but that will happen when the intelligence community is embedded at said news organizations.
- rightbyte 3y ago
  The fallacy is that there will be no objective classification of what is considered misinformation. Rather, it will be arbitrary. So you can't censor misinformation. You will censor information.
  - boston_clone 3y ago
    As someone who professionally dealt in mis- and dis-information, I strongly disagree. It sounds as though you’re bending the definition to your own dystopian ideas.