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Rumors suggest they’re gearing up to make iOS 18 an AI focused release. It’ll be interesting to see if they offer different capabilities for online/offline scen

Rumors suggest they’re gearing up to make iOS 18 an AI focused release. It’ll be interesting to see if they offer different capabilities for online/offline scenarios, or if their offerings are strictly offline. Here’s one story to offer some context. There are others. https://archive.is/en3VL https://archive.is/en3VL

para_parolu 3y ago
I really hope they will make siri usable. In the current state it’s only good for fixed phrases. And even then it fails time to time
- behnamoh 3y ago
  I hope they get rid of it completely. People on r/locallama and others have made much better assistants using GPT which use iOS APIs to control the phone. It's ridiculous that Apple still hasn't done anything useful regarding Siri.
  - michelb 3y ago
    It's been in an 'AI' rewrite for a while now. Pretty sure we'll see something next year.
    - astrange 3y ago
      It's been rewritten several times, people largely don't notice because they don't try using it in different languages. And of course because they want to seem savvy so they repeat impressions from other people's posts, not realizing those posts are years old.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    I'd be (pleasantly) surprised; look at how long it takes them to allow system apps to get replaced with downloadable 3rd party. And even then, the activation keyword is likely to be whatever Apple says. Similar logic as 3rd party keyboards, don't want user input to get stuck on even merely potentially untrustworthy or buggy code.
    - spookthesunset 3y ago
      Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the activation word “special” in that it has to work in very low power states? I always assumed that is why the wake words are fixed, because said words need to “fit” within a very small power budget.
      - ben_w 3y ago
        Could be — I've heard rumours along those lines, but none came with evidence.
        skygazer 3y ago
        https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/hey-siri https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/hey-siri (2017) The rumors were true.
        ben_w 3y ago
        Thanks :)
    - darthrupert 3y ago
      That's not due to incompetence; that's due to not seeing any reason to do it.
      - ben_w 3y ago
        I was not intending to imply otherwise.
- fodkodrasz 3y ago
  For me fixed phrases would do it often, I use Siri mostly when driving, but keeps saying for almost any command/query: Sorry I can't do that while you are driving. (other main usecase is setting tea/cooking timers with hands full/greasy. This alone makes it pretty useful.) I guess this won't change, because it is probably for legal reasons, to avoid being sued by some "I just dried my cat in the microwave" style genius after making a car accident (unrelated to Siri, but trying to shift the blame). Adding support for smaller languages would be nice actually. When its reading out of Hungarian messages loud it sounds incredibly retarded. I always have a great time listening to those and trying to guess the message. :) It would be nice if I could send a message to my significant other about being stuck in traffic in Hungarian. (the iPhone keyboard already does pretty decent voice recognition in the language)
behnamoh 3y ago
> Rumors suggest they’re gearing up to make iOS 18 an AI focused release. Don't underestimate Apple at disappointing enthusiasts like you and me. We've been hearing many awesome stories about the next thing Apple will do, only to realize their marketing team chose to keep it for future iOS/MBP/iPhone generations to keep the profits high.
- baz00 3y ago
  I think your expectations are wrong. They sit there in silence with a few leaks here and there and some github projects, people speculate and get all excited about extrapolating those things. Then Apple deliver what works which may or may not be related to it. What they don't do is sell you a lie a year before release then deliver shit (like every other fucking vendor).
  - zdragnar 3y ago
    They're plenty capable of delivering garbage. Certain year models of the MacBook pro were inherently faulty. I've had the displeasure of having two of them bought for me at work. All of Apple's windows software (iTunes, Safari, etc) has been, at best, a barely working port. I'm assuming they are putting a lot more thought and care into it than the touchbar, crappy keyboards and the rest, but I'm also not holding out much hope either.
    - baz00 3y ago
      Since they got rid of Jony, it's been great. That's all I'm saying.
      - mpweiher 3y ago
        Absolutely! The hardware, that is. With software, their Come to Jesus moment is still in the future. (To me, Swift is sort of the Jony correlate on the software side. Doesn't fit perfectly, of course, but very similar "we are perfect who cares about evidence la la la I can't hear you" vibes and results)
0x1ceb00da 3y ago
If they do it right, it might make me switch from Android. I've never used iOS before and the only thing I'm able to use Google assistant for is setting alarms, and it can't even delete the alarm I created just now.

para_parolu 3y ago

I really hope they will make siri usable. In the current state it’s only good for fixed phrases. And even then it fails time to time

behnamoh 3y ago
I hope they get rid of it completely. People on r/locallama and others have made much better assistants using GPT which use iOS APIs to control the phone. It's ridiculous that Apple still hasn't done anything useful regarding Siri.
- michelb 3y ago
  It's been in an 'AI' rewrite for a while now. Pretty sure we'll see something next year.
  - astrange 3y ago
    It's been rewritten several times, people largely don't notice because they don't try using it in different languages. And of course because they want to seem savvy so they repeat impressions from other people's posts, not realizing those posts are years old.
- ben_w 3y ago
  I'd be (pleasantly) surprised; look at how long it takes them to allow system apps to get replaced with downloadable 3rd party. And even then, the activation keyword is likely to be whatever Apple says. Similar logic as 3rd party keyboards, don't want user input to get stuck on even merely potentially untrustworthy or buggy code.
  - spookthesunset 3y ago
    Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the activation word “special” in that it has to work in very low power states? I always assumed that is why the wake words are fixed, because said words need to “fit” within a very small power budget.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      Could be — I've heard rumours along those lines, but none came with evidence.
      - skygazer 3y ago
        https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/hey-siri https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/hey-siri (2017) The rumors were true.
        ben_w 3y ago
        Thanks :)
  - darthrupert 3y ago
    That's not due to incompetence; that's due to not seeing any reason to do it.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      I was not intending to imply otherwise.
fodkodrasz 3y ago
For me fixed phrases would do it often, I use Siri mostly when driving, but keeps saying for almost any command/query: Sorry I can't do that while you are driving. (other main usecase is setting tea/cooking timers with hands full/greasy. This alone makes it pretty useful.) I guess this won't change, because it is probably for legal reasons, to avoid being sued by some "I just dried my cat in the microwave" style genius after making a car accident (unrelated to Siri, but trying to shift the blame). Adding support for smaller languages would be nice actually. When its reading out of Hungarian messages loud it sounds incredibly retarded. I always have a great time listening to those and trying to guess the message. :) It would be nice if I could send a message to my significant other about being stuck in traffic in Hungarian. (the iPhone keyboard already does pretty decent voice recognition in the language)

behnamoh 3y ago

> Rumors suggest they’re gearing up to make iOS 18 an AI focused release. Don't underestimate Apple at disappointing enthusiasts like you and me. We've been hearing many awesome stories about the next thing Apple will do, only to realize their marketing team chose to keep it for future iOS/MBP/iPhone generations to keep the profits high.

baz00 3y ago
I think your expectations are wrong. They sit there in silence with a few leaks here and there and some github projects, people speculate and get all excited about extrapolating those things. Then Apple deliver what works which may or may not be related to it. What they don't do is sell you a lie a year before release then deliver shit (like every other fucking vendor).
- zdragnar 3y ago
  They're plenty capable of delivering garbage. Certain year models of the MacBook pro were inherently faulty. I've had the displeasure of having two of them bought for me at work. All of Apple's windows software (iTunes, Safari, etc) has been, at best, a barely working port. I'm assuming they are putting a lot more thought and care into it than the touchbar, crappy keyboards and the rest, but I'm also not holding out much hope either.
  - baz00 3y ago
    Since they got rid of Jony, it's been great. That's all I'm saying.
    - mpweiher 3y ago
      Absolutely! The hardware, that is. With software, their Come to Jesus moment is still in the future. (To me, Swift is sort of the Jony correlate on the software side. Doesn't fit perfectly, of course, but very similar "we are perfect who cares about evidence la la la I can't hear you" vibes and results)

0x1ceb00da 3y ago

If they do it right, it might make me switch from Android. I've never used iOS before and the only thing I'm able to use Google assistant for is setting alarms, and it can't even delete the alarm I created just now.