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...which leads to yet another paradoxical situation: 80-90%+ of Mozilla's yearly revenue comes from google [0]. they keep firefox afloat (with 3% market share)

• heavyset_go 3y ago
  The more people that use Firefox, the more revenue Mozilla will earn as there are various ancillary services they sell and integrate into Firefox, along with things like sponsor links.
• lamontcg 3y ago
  > if Firefox starts gaining traction... yeah, so lets make that happen and then find out what the response is. right now we're stuck in the "tried nothing and all out of ideas" state.
  • ljm 3y ago
    Firefox used to have traction, enough to be a threat to Internet Explorer. People won't switch when you get a degraded experience of Google services on Firefox. Similarly, if Firefox was as easy to embed as Chrome we'd probably see a lot more alternatives based on it.
    • out-of-ideas 3y ago
      i dont have any degraded experience of "google services on firefox"; sounds quite false. Of course i dont have my browser feeding into google 24/7 like folks do with chrome now (but even that "feature" is still relatively new). People switched when google (having the site everybody went to daily) started advertising on the home page "use our browser" - must be nice; and in the start it seemed like a tool for users to use to harvest data; unlike today where chrome is the tool that the data-collectors use to harvest people
      • chii 3y ago
        Google did start advertising chrome, but the speed of chrome (and stability) was not fake and it won over the early adopters. Firefox dropped the ball at the time, and now even tho it has mostly caught up in speed and stability, their market share doesn't grow because it's not substantially better feature wise. May be the adblock wars can change that, because chrome seems to be going towards eliminating adblocker.
        • flurie 3y ago
          There's a feature I use heavily that I cannot get in Chrome: Multi-Account Containers[1]. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account...
          • chii 3y ago
            unfortunately, such a feature is so niche that almost nobody cares about it, and so does not move the needle in the fight against chrome. According to a quick statistic search, firefox has about 363 million users, while the multi-account addon has about 368,938 users - that's 0.1% of users. Compared to ublock origin, which has 7,388,295 and thus is at least within 2% of all users.
            • out-of-ideas 3y ago
              i do wish FF shipped the multi-account-containers bundled with the install of FF; it is quite possibly the #1 most used plugin - esp with each tab being a random temp containter. It might be confusing for some folks with the advanced bit; but professionally it saves the day when testing front ends and peoples instructions are "clear your cache, find out how via your browser ect" - nah just open a new temp container
• ls612 3y ago
  I've switched to Firefox after a long time on Chrome in preparation to avoid the Manifest V3 changes and it isn't all sunshine and rainbows. Overall performance feels slower (although not drastically so, they've made big strides since last I used it) and some newer features (Nvidia Super Resolution is the big one for me) work only half the time.
  • throwawaysugar 3y ago
    Having been using Firefox for years, I don't think I'm missing out on anything. I wouldn't trade my privacy for bleeding edge features