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Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr
- irusensei 3y agoMakes me wonder if LBRY went with Lightning instead of creating a shitcoin token they would probably still be around today and maybe even integrating with Nostr.
- sph 3y agoMy quasi-skeptic approach to cryptocurrency: - Build it without crypto - If you build it with crypto, base it off Bitcoin. Anything else might as well be a product based on a pump-and-dump shitcoin. There is only one cryptocurrency, and Satoshi is its prophet.
- OsrsNeedsf2P 3y agoLBRY is doing just fine* with Odyssey.com * as fine as an alt-YouTube ever does
- kornelijus 3y agoIt's https://odysee.com https://odysee.com by the way, did make me think they closed down for a sec.
- kinakomochidayo 3y agoNaw, because LN non-custodial UX sucks, and custodial wallets are being disabled in the US.
- the_gastropod 3y ago> BUT unlike YouTube, we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we disagree Ah, right. Too much content moderation is the biggest problem with YouTube. /s
- cybrox 3y agoJust because it's not THE biggest problem doesn't mean that it isn't A problem. More specifically not YouTubes moderation itself but the way in which its systems can be abused.
- the_gastropod 3y agoRight. But “lol, we’ll just get rid of moderation, bro” is an incredibly naive and dangerous non-solution. I think it frustrates many stereotypical “tech bro” types that there exist problems that are difficult or impossible for technology to solve. Content moderation is a messy business. But it’s necessary business.
- rglullis 3y agoGetting rid of centralized moderation and unilateral censorship is not the same as "getting rid of moderation, bro".
- itsoktocry 3y ago>Too much content moderation is the biggest problem with YouTube. But controlling what you see is easy! Just don't watch it. As opposed to controlling what you can't, which you are at the mercy of YouTube to provide. Or is it that you want to control what other people see?
- the_gastropod 3y agoYes. Most reasonable people don’t want anyone sharing CSAM, for example.
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- bagels 3y agoHow is the infrastructure and bandwidth paid for?
- jasode 3y ago>How is the infrastructure and bandwidth paid for? For bandwidth intensive usage such as video, it will probably be "paid relays" instead of free ones. Click on url in the "Popular paid relays" paragraph to see examples: https://nostr.how/en/relays https://nostr.how/en/relays Nostr is popular with the cryptocurrency community so the payment mechanics seem to favor Bitcoin and/or Bitcoin Lightning.
- thisgoesnowhere 3y agoIt's really not popular at all and it's growing linearly in terms of users (death sentence for a social) yet completely flat (suspiciously flat in my opinion) in terms of adoption. https://stats.nostr.band/ https://stats.nostr.band/
- kinakomochidayo 3y agoNostr is only popular with Bitcoin maxis. Nobody else cares about Nostr.
- npoc 3y agoIts popular with people who understand the importance of decentralisation
- jimmydoreornot 3y agoRight. And that is why Stella Assange and Matt Taibbi are on there... because they are bitcoin maxis. /s
- kevindamm 3y agoPaid relays look like they cost on average 5000 lightning, which is estimated at $65 USD currently, and that's a one time fee (until they get recurring payments set up, I'm guessing most relays will convert to that).. but flare in their FAQ recommends getting 8-10 relays.
- eviks 3y agoCongrats on launch! Login button: 3 times I see the word "Nsec" without any explanation, that would lose a lot of youtubers from transitioning But a bigger issue is that googling about nsec tells me it's a very bad practice: "Some argue that the user should never enter their nsec into an input field at the risk of being compromised by the service. Given the nature of nostr, users cannot recover from a leaked private key and must take greater precaution than they would with a username/password combination." https://nostrdesign.org/docs/how-to/sign-in-sign-up/ https://nostrdesign.org/docs/how-to/sign-in-sign-up/ (also pip for some reason stops playing when I switch to another page on the site)
- pavlov 3y ago> “Given the nature of nostr, users cannot recover from a leaked private key and must take greater precaution than they would with a username/password combination.” This is a complete dealbreaker for any end-user product. I don’t understand why crypto/blockchain fans still think it can work.
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- Retr0id 3y agoI'm not sure why you're getting downvoted here. In any other context, "paste in the private key that your identity is irrevocably bound to" would get you laughed out of the room. It seems to be the default nostr UX nonetheless, and that's worthy of note. I am aware of efforts to improve on this though, for example https://snort.social/e/note1crl44xk24yc2ym5xlyyfjdeumxueyguzxetseg8r0prqzmqts47sghnmgp https://snort.social/e/note1crl44xk24yc2ym5xlyyfjdeumxueyguz... - essentially the equivalent of a custodial wallet, if I'm understanding correctly.
- jgilias 3y agoHe’s getting downvoted because that’s a solved problem in the wider crypto-space. To log in you sign a message using your hardware wallet. Nostr hasn’t grown up to that yet, and pointing out that pasting private keys is a bad idea is fair game. But implying that public private key cryptography can’t be used to log into web apps is just silly given that value worth billions is being moved around daily using such web apps.
- prmoustache 3y agoSo how will you cope with DMCA takedown requests and what will you do when all major medias companies will sue your ass? You may try to pretend it is not your content and explain how the protocol works and all that but as long as you will host a frontend and own the domain name you will be considered the one to sue.
- skinkestek 3y agoHow does Bitcoin cope with the fact that the DVD key (and probably a few other interesting things) are stored on the blockchain?
- sph 3y agoDo you mean 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ?
- rascul 3y agoAlso on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AACS_encryption_key_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AACS_encryption_key_controvers...
- quickthrower2 3y agoIt copes by whoever did that being anonymous. The same method as any other unsolved “crime”. In terms of network persistence of the data, it would be a gargantuan and fruitless effort to go after every bitcoin node operator on the planet in every jurisdiction they operate in. So Bitcoin copes by its very evasive design.
- jazzyjackson 3y agobecause "bitcoin.com" isn't running the blockchain, responsibility is diffused. OPs point is even with distributed infrastructure, the portal serving end users has a name and address attached so legal departments know who to serve.
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- mab122 3y agoI love that nostr identity is not tied to an instance (unlike activitypub/mastondon/fediverse)! However ignoring some (IMO) fundamental problems (because they are not problems until you hit scale) like hosting, somewhat moderation and letting that be solved "layer above" is a mistake (IMO) it will probably create non standardized APIs for paying for hosting or sth. As for community it is heavily based on bitcoin/lightning enthusiasts and a lot of content revolving just around that - probably won't attract people outside the circle/general public (which may not be the goal or preferable outcome!)
- Retr0id 3y agoI think Bluesky/atproto has a reasonable compromise in this department. At any single point in time your identity is bound to a specific instance, but that binding is mutable.
- irusensei 3y agoYou might be surprised on how relatively popular it is among some Japanese users. They have their own clients and relays and most of them are not even into Bitcoin.
- urtrs 3y agoWhen you hover the video it takes too long for the controls to appear.
- 0ckpuppet 3y agoso basically a democratized youtube?
- _heimdall 3y agoI think a federated YouTube would be more accurate
- vivzkestrel 3y agodecentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we disagree"
- Humbly7628 3y ago>decentralized anything never works at scale Ever heard of blockchain ? And don't tell me its a very precise case, blockchains are used for a lot of things
- steelbrain 3y ago> blockchains are used for a lot of things Yeah? Like what?
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- segfaltnh 3y agoYes, and they scale poorly. See the part where people fill warehouses with GPUs causing global shortages and lopsided power demands.
- ingen0s 3y agoBeautiful! Nice work! Super applause!
- dbbk 3y agoI'm sorry but this is just a galactically bad idea.
- edent 3y agoWTF is a "34235 client"? But, regardless, how's this better than PeerTube?
- Retr0id 3y agoI think that's a typo for "any of the 34235 clients", where 34235 is a stand-in for "large number" (there are lots of nostr clients). Nostr is interesting because it's not actually P2P, just decentralised - whether that's a good thing is open to question.
- Zm44 3y agoIn this case 34235 client refers to `kind 34235` events. In nostr, different event types are distinguished by kind numbers, so clients can be built and filter for events of a certain type. For example, the content shown on a twitter/microblogging client, should not be the same as the content shown on a YouTube like client.
- edent 3y agoThat's super usable!
- zaik 3y agoIt's better if you think Nostr is superior to ActivityPub.
- smcleod 3y agoThe sites design is very aesthetically pleasing, well done on that front. Something that put me off a bit was immediately seeing bitcoin influencer content after loading the page.
- jgilias 3y agoThat’s just the nature of Nostr at the moment. It’s very Bitcoin adjacent. There’s significant overlap between Nostr and Bitcoin developers. Also, Bitcoin (through Lightning) is the currency used on Nostr for anything and everything. I can totally see how that’s off putting for normal people though.
- alkonaut 3y agoIt's so off putting I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. I wouldn't even curiously browse a landing page of an otherwise interesting project beyond the point I notice that something is mildly "cryptocurrency-adjacent", or it becomes obvious that it has involvement from devs who also enjoy working on blockchains. Thanks for the heads up.
- wlll 3y agoSame sentiment here. Something to compete with YouTube would be great but I'm not going anywhere near anything crypto related, the whole ecosystem stinks to me.
- bubersson 3y agoI can honestly report that big majority of Nostr users are very much against "crypto". Just ask on nostr "Do people here support crypto and all the various blockchains?" and you will see for yourself.
- jgilias 3y agoIt shouldn’t really be much of a surprise though that people hacking on decentralized value transfer where identity is asserted using asymmetric key cryptography were the ones coming up with the idea to use a similar approach for information transfer.
- conzept 3y agoCool! Could you please allow for searching by URL parameter. Then I can link it from the video section on topics at https://conze.pt https://conze.pt Thanks!
- DeathArrow 3y agoHow do you plan to attract users? Users come for content and creators come for users.
- rekoil 3y agoHeads up, I have "block newly registered domains" configured in my NextDNS site, so I can't resolve flare.pub. For the future, might be good to register the domain a little while before the launch to avoid this.
- eurekin 3y agoHow long should the domain be up not to be considered new?
- rekoil 3y ago90 days.
- corobo 3y agoHave you tried disabling that option? It should fix the problem! :P
- rekoil 3y agoI know how to get access to the site, but blocking newly registered domains is a good security practice as it defeats a lot of scams.
- KomoD 3y ago> For the future, might be good to register the domain a little while before the launch to avoid this. Or you can just disable it, they don't need to delay launch just because some guy has his DNS configured that way
- rekoil 3y agoI'm just saying that if you want to reach a maximal audience it helps if your domain is older than 90 days as it isn't considered "new" then by some DNS providers.
- Redster 3y agoWasn't aware this is a thing. Thanks for the tip.
- littlestymaar 3y agoI didn't know what nostr was, so I clicked the link[1] and I found this gem: > Because Nostr accounts are based on public-key cryptography it's easy to verify messages were really sent by the user in question. If you think asymmetric encryption makes anything easy, you're missing the point. If you have a reliable way to know other peoples public keys, and there's a way to repudiate them, asymmetric encryption can make things somewhat secure (that is, until private keys get stolen and after the theft has been detected), but that's a very big “if”, and getting a decent UX generally involves some kind of centralization, be it keybase or Certificate Authorities. [1]: https://nostr.com/ https://nostr.com/
- jimmydoreornot 3y agoI half agree, and half disagree. I agree that users need some kind of management tools to deal with public key crypto, shouldn't be copying private keys into apps, and there needs to be recovery from lost keys. It is a hard problem and nostr has a long ways to go. I disagree that you need a "reliable way to know other peoples public keys." I think this puts the cart before the horse. And doing it that way, public certification authorities who say "I certify this key belongs to this person" can't be trusted anyways, so it doesn't really work (and as people do trust them for practical reasons, but shouldn't, they have enabled widespread TLS MitM by governments). It is rarely the case that you know someone and then you discover someone claiming to be them and you need them to prove their identity (which is BTW totally possible in nostr already). What usually happens is you learn the key first, and over time learn who that person is and develop intuition and trust about them through experiences that occurred via that key.
- throwway1922 3y agoCan some one explain how to create an user account? WTF is nsec?
- once_inc 3y agoNostr is a protocol for the decentralized sharing of Notes and Other Stuff (Through Relays). Nostr uses private keys for accounts, and nsec is such a key.
- irusensei 3y agoA private key. Kinda like GPG.
- Zm44 3y agoYou can get started on nostr here: https://nosta.me/ https://nosta.me/
- nipperkinfeet 3y agoA terrible website. Vibrant white letters peeking out from the disorganized backdrop.
- Loughla 3y agoFascinating to me that religious weird conspiracy posts are almost immediately the largest portion of videos.
- irusensei 3y agoThere are no algos. You are supposed to curate your feed. Global is there just for convenience. Mute that npub and you won’t see any of this again.
- Loughla 3y agoSure, but that's a different thing than what I said. It doesn't matter that there's no algorithm. It is just interesting to me that outlandish Christian conspiracies about the end of the world/angels/etc. are almost immediately being uploaded to a brand-new platform. That has nothing to do with how content is delivered?
- jimmydoreornot 3y agoBut that doesn't reflect on the platform. It's just the next random thing uploaded. In case you think nostr is saturated with "outlandish Christian conspiracies about the end of the world/angels/etc", I've been on nostr more than a year and have encountered exactly zero of them.
- KomoD 3y agoI don't even know how to sign up... lol there's an "nsec" field which i have no clue what it is there's a "connect with nsec" button which again, i don't know what it is. and then there's "login with extension" button which does nothing.
- Zm44 3y agoYeah, you're probably better off getting setup with a nostr account on https://primal.net/home https://primal.net/home or Damus. You'd need a nostr extension for the extension button to work
- vnuge 3y agoFor you and others following. Common in early nostr apps. The web-extension spec is defined in https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/07.md https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/07.md. Most apps check for window.nostr, then fail silently when it's missing or blocked. There are also some popular extensions in that list.
- itslennysfault 3y agoYeah, onboarding could use some love. This happens a lot with Nostr projects. It's built by Nostr nerds for Nostr nerds and to them "nsec" is super obvious. They really should NOT ENCOURAGE PASTING NSEC as it is not secure and explain how to generate an nsec and how to use a browser extension / wallet to log in.
- izacus 3y ago> Like YouTube, Flare lets you upload, view, comment, and like videos from your favorite creators. BUT unlike YouTube, we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we disagree Oh, this will become another lair of hate speech, conspiracy theories and all kinds of content noone will want to touch with a stick, eh?
- dancemethis 3y agoFriendly reminder that "Nostr", just like all things with a missing vowel like this, is spelled "Nostrrrrrrrr" with the 'r' imitating an old vehicle's motor for a few seconds. It's the way the users of this pattern want and like it.
- sph 3y agoMaybe they'll do like the bird site: Nostr -> Noster -> Z
- LeonM 3y agoThe operating costs of a video platform are huge, who pays for all of this?
- kevincox 3y agoThis could really use RSS feeds for channels and playlists so that I can follow publishers that I find. Right now there is so little interesting channels that I will never remember to check back. If I could subscribe via RSS I wouldn't miss a video.
- rfwhyte 3y agoCool, you built your own YouTube with hookers and coke and... bitcoin. Lots and lots of bitcoin. Cause lord knows there's literally (checks notes) dozens of people out there clamoring for an "Anti-censorship" streaming platform where they can watch spammy bitcoin videos.
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- friend_and_foe 3y agoHow are the videos hosted? Is the server FOSS? I'm curious to know how it all works behind the scenes. Is it just a video host that slaps nostr on the label, like YouTube but notified followers via nostr instead of RSS, or is this actually sending and storing videos using nostr relays or some other way?
- Zopieux 3y agoSaving you a click: this is a video sharing platform built on oh-so-legit crypto/bitcoin/nft protocols/stacks, and the value-add (!) is that it's not moderated. What could possibly go wrong.
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- poulpy123 3y agoSorry but I click on the website and I get stuff about bitcoins and other crypto and this immediately discredits it for me
- Setch-l 3y agoNostr has numerous NIPs or Nostr implementation possibilities many of which address the concerns below: - nsec: a user name / password option has been created- although I think there are numerous “normies” who go are over the password login pattern - moderation: at least two clients have implemented moderation NIPs and open sourced their code for expanding the capabilities - CSAM: there are separate services that host media content and partner with CSAm filtering tools to provide the basic filtering you would receive on FB etc. - a few clients offer delete - and while nothing ever truly goes away, it can be helpful if the trolls come after someone. - in terms of the content, you already curate some of your other feeds by following and unfollowing people or brands, yes there is a lot of bitcoin content but you can optimize your feed to see other types of content.