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Great, honest-sounding description of this college application grind, doing things he wasn't interested in, and suggesting that most of the other mathletes also
by neilv 3y ago
Great, honest-sounding description of this college application grind, doing things he wasn't interested in, and suggesting that most of the other mathletes also weren't interested in math.
Now that he's 15 years into a tech career, I'm wondering what he thinks if/when interviewing applicants, and sees or doesn't see similar grind on the resume.
I imagine that some, if they got their position by virtue of the hoop-jumping grind, would think that the grind was positive signal for a candidate for that kind of position. But I don't know how common that belief is.
Reason I'm wondering... The last time I did a call with a FAANG recruiter (for Staff/Principal SWE), they did something new, running down a long list of checkboxes, and asking me for each one whether I had it or not. Most of it sounded like college application fodder, like people get coached to do in affluent prep schools, including multiple checkboxes about mathlete competitions. Not something that I would've thought would still matter for someone with a big industry track record. Was gathering this college app grind data for experienced candidates a new thing, or have recruiters and resume-scanning software been filling out these properties of each candidate for a long time?
- jimbokun 3y agoI would want to find applicants more like the one mathlete who was still doing mathematics past school years because he found it deeply interesting. Then transferring that innate problem solving drive and aiming it towards the problems and challenges facing the company.
- neilv 3y agoI would be curious about that person, too, but devil's advocate... How do you know you can aim that person's drive for math towards company problems? Unless and until you know that, is it more positive signal to look for people who, well, have solved company problems?
- lupire 3y agoWhat we actually do is take your company resources and redirect them towards solving math problems.
- izacus 3y agoIn reality what happens is that they become bored with solving real engineering problems and go on tangents to do fun math problems that bring little value to the team. After hiring couple of those people I've become quite vary of them.
- lupire 3y agoYou say FAANG but you really mean one specific one of them.
- neilv 3y agoThe anecdote only involved a specific one of them. Is that behavior exclusive to just one company, or more common?