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>Charging networks are IMHO not a viable long term business model. Sort of like gas stations weren't a viable long-term business model? > Nobody wants the stu

by tw04 3y ago

>Charging networks are IMHO not a viable long term business model. Sort of like gas stations weren't a viable long-term business model? > Nobody wants the stupid app, they want to charge at McDonalds along the highway while they grab something to eat. So you should put your chargers near convenient amenities... like a convenience store... like a gas station?

ffgjgf1 3y ago
> Sort of like gas stations weren't a viable long-term business model? If you only sell gas and nothing else you can only compete on price. Good luck with that.
wil421 3y ago
Tesla isn’t building C-Stores that sell Gas or Electrons. The superchargers I’ve seen are in some random parking lot without a restroom or convenience store selling stuff.
- bluGill 3y ago
  Some of them, but I've also seen Tesla at various truck stops. In rural areas building at a convenience store make sense: they already have restrooms, some form of restaurant and various other things to buy on site - everything a traveler needs for a quick break to fill the car before getting back on the road. In cities I think we will see less chargers as most people just go home to charge. However in poor areas they will be at places like grocery stores so you those who don't have at-home charging can charge and shop.
phkahler 3y ago
Not quite. Gas stations don't have enough to keep a person busy for an entire charge session. You need real shopping or a place to sit down to eat. They will also not be needed in town near your home, since people will just charge at home.
- speedgoose 3y ago
  Norway is perhaps a bit special, but this is very common for service stations along the roads or in Oslo to have many fast chargers. You can buy a drink or some food, and most have some space to sit down.
  - yurishimo 3y ago
    I remember the first time I visited a gas station in Belgium (?) off the highway that actually had 10 or so "standing tables" to eat at from the two restaurant options in the building. We sit for 4+ hours between fill-ups; why do we not see this as the standard in most places, with more limited seating for the elderly/disabled or children who cannot reach a full height standing table? As an American, it was really eye opening!

by tw04 3y ago

ffgjgf1 3y ago

> Sort of like gas stations weren't a viable long-term business model? If you only sell gas and nothing else you can only compete on price. Good luck with that.

wil421 3y ago

Tesla isn’t building C-Stores that sell Gas or Electrons. The superchargers I’ve seen are in some random parking lot without a restroom or convenience store selling stuff.

bluGill 3y ago
Some of them, but I've also seen Tesla at various truck stops. In rural areas building at a convenience store make sense: they already have restrooms, some form of restaurant and various other things to buy on site - everything a traveler needs for a quick break to fill the car before getting back on the road. In cities I think we will see less chargers as most people just go home to charge. However in poor areas they will be at places like grocery stores so you those who don't have at-home charging can charge and shop.

phkahler 3y ago

Not quite. Gas stations don't have enough to keep a person busy for an entire charge session. You need real shopping or a place to sit down to eat. They will also not be needed in town near your home, since people will just charge at home.

speedgoose 3y ago
Norway is perhaps a bit special, but this is very common for service stations along the roads or in Oslo to have many fast chargers. You can buy a drink or some food, and most have some space to sit down.
- yurishimo 3y ago
  I remember the first time I visited a gas station in Belgium (?) off the highway that actually had 10 or so "standing tables" to eat at from the two restaurant options in the building. We sit for 4+ hours between fill-ups; why do we not see this as the standard in most places, with more limited seating for the elderly/disabled or children who cannot reach a full height standing table? As an American, it was really eye opening!