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It's a little weird to discount an article because it accurately reports a fact, using well-defined terms. It's getting exhausting listening to Tesla fans re-p

It's a little weird to discount an article because it accurately reports a fact, using well-defined terms. It's getting exhausting listening to Tesla fans re-prosecute the definition of 'recall' any time someone uses the term correctly.

pbhjpbhj 3y ago
I see both sides, a recall is usually a very expensive process of each car returning to a particular car service business and having manual actions performed on it by a mechanic. That might include software updates, plugging in a tool to push an update; but by direct local connection. OTA updates feel different, particularly when the vehicle isn't physically _recalled_ to a manufacturer controlled service space. I'm not that familiar with the recall, would NHTSA have demanded it if it were all Tesla cars being physically recalled? (potentially resulting in the end of Tesla?)
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  The mechanism improvements? Great. The safety oversight/defect in the first place was no less of a problem before it was fixed, just because it could be fixed remotely.
- stonogo 3y ago
  The fact that it feels different isn't really relevant. The recall process means Tesla has to track every VIN and keep records on which vehicle is repaired. Consider the hypothetical: if a person stores their Tesla unpowered in an underground garage for ten years, and then takes it out of storage and starts driving it, Tesla will still be on the hook to fix this, even if the OTA update process isn't compatible any more. So despite the fact that most of the subject cars can be fixed remotely, there's nothing stopping this specific recall from becoming a physical recall down the road, if Tesla identifies vehicles that can't get the update OTA. Here's the official guidance on the topic: https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/14218-mvsdefectsandrecalls_041619-v2-tag.pdf https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/14218-... Here's the official recall report: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLRPT-23V838-8276.PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLRPT-23V838-8276.PDF In these recalls, there's always a negotiation process. NHTSA prefers for vendors to issue voluntary recalls, which is what happened here. Whether or not they would have demanded physical modifications probably depends on how dangerous they consider the defect. 2 million cars isn't even close to the biggest recall so far (I think GM or Chrysler has that privilege, but it's a fuzzy memory). Tesla probably would have survived it even if they had to physically plug a cable into each car to run the update.

pbhjpbhj 3y ago

I see both sides, a recall is usually a very expensive process of each car returning to a particular car service business and having manual actions performed on it by a mechanic. That might include software updates, plugging in a tool to push an update; but by direct local connection. OTA updates feel different, particularly when the vehicle isn't physically _recalled_ to a manufacturer controlled service space. I'm not that familiar with the recall, would NHTSA have demanded it if it were all Tesla cars being physically recalled? (potentially resulting in the end of Tesla?)

FireBeyond 3y ago
The mechanism improvements? Great. The safety oversight/defect in the first place was no less of a problem before it was fixed, just because it could be fixed remotely.
stonogo 3y ago
The fact that it feels different isn't really relevant. The recall process means Tesla has to track every VIN and keep records on which vehicle is repaired. Consider the hypothetical: if a person stores their Tesla unpowered in an underground garage for ten years, and then takes it out of storage and starts driving it, Tesla will still be on the hook to fix this, even if the OTA update process isn't compatible any more. So despite the fact that most of the subject cars can be fixed remotely, there's nothing stopping this specific recall from becoming a physical recall down the road, if Tesla identifies vehicles that can't get the update OTA. Here's the official guidance on the topic: https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/14218-mvsdefectsandrecalls_041619-v2-tag.pdf https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/14218-... Here's the official recall report: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLRPT-23V838-8276.PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLRPT-23V838-8276.PDF In these recalls, there's always a negotiation process. NHTSA prefers for vendors to issue voluntary recalls, which is what happened here. Whether or not they would have demanded physical modifications probably depends on how dangerous they consider the defect. 2 million cars isn't even close to the biggest recall so far (I think GM or Chrysler has that privilege, but it's a fuzzy memory). Tesla probably would have survived it even if they had to physically plug a cable into each car to run the update.