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“okay, you promised me 10 minutes, that ran out four minutes ago, so how many more minutes?” Seems to me that ATC need to get it together also.
by snypher 3y ago
“okay, you promised me 10 minutes, that ran out four minutes ago, so how many more minutes?”
Seems to me that ATC need to get it together also.
- wtallis 3y agoYeah, whether Lufthansa's polices are reasonable or excessively cautious is debatable, but the ATC here obviously gave unambiguously wrong information about the delay.
- kayodelycaon 3y agoDelays are estimates. They can’t be guaranteed. All it takes is one other plane to be slow to act.
- wtallis 3y agoEstimates and predictions that turn out to be wrong are still wrong. And when the estimate was wrong by 50% and counting, and the ATC wasn't offering any information other than another dubious estimate, and the ATC was not handling the flights in a FIFO order, the Lufthansa pilots were left with uncomfortably little useful information about their situation.
- cycomanic 3y agoJust a note the estimate wasn't just wrong by 50% the pilots had already been told 10min twice before, so estimate was more than 300% off by that time.
- JAlexoid 3y agoWhen flying and being responsible for an aircraft full of people - estimates take a very different meaning.
- CaliforniaKarl 3y agoThat’s why flight plans have diversion fields, with requirements to have enough field to get to the diversion airport, and even to hold _there_.
- p_l 3y agoThat also means that when ATC tells someone they will inform them in 10 minutes,they are obliged to tell them in 10 minutes, even if it's "sorry, we don't have a slot, we can get you info in next ten minutes or help you to diversion airport". Not have to be reminded that there's a plane in holding waiting for information. Unless they want a repeat of telling a plane to hold till it crashed into sea.
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoOr maybe SFO is already over capacity and can’t safely take the traffic assigned to it?
- JAlexoid 3y agoThen it's literally ATCs responsibility to inform the incoming aircraft of that. That's why there's a diversion airport.
- vkou 3y agoThe controller didn't have an ETA, the pilot was offered to hold or divert. The pilot didn't want to divert, and hoped that complaining would get them out of the hold. From a safety perspective, this all seems to have worked as intended.
- growse 3y agoThe problem is that the hold is effectively indefinite in the controller's mind, and therefore not an option. But that's not what they said on the radio.
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