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I wonder at what point there will be roving mobs of people destroying every device in sight. Anti-AI vigilante groups, etc.
by greentext 3y ago
I wonder at what point there will be roving mobs of people destroying every device in sight. Anti-AI vigilante groups, etc.
- matt3210 3y agoClose than we expect probably
- Supermancho 3y agoI would expect this will happen a short time after the machines are physically humanized (to some extent) and common enough to find in most places.
- d_silin 3y agoSeems every generation have a new thing to fear. Eventually it subsides into background, the heralds of doom then move on to next big thing, and the real dangers are quietly and thanklessly mitigated by more competent people. We had this pattern with the following ones: - Nuclear war - Peak Oil/Resource Depletion - Ozone hole - Y2K Problem Seems like "Climate Change" is on the way out and "AI Doom" is on the way in.
- PodgieTar 3y agoClimate Change is on it's way out? Did you try stepping outside this summer? Because it was the hottest year on record, ever.
- paxys 3y agoTo add to that, the Ozone hole and Y2K problems didn't just disappear. We solved them with an immense amount of time and active effort.
- losteric 3y agoand with thanks to public support for solutions to those problems (to be fair, the Y2K would have been solved regardless since that could have impacted immediate quarterly financial reports)
- vinni2 3y agoit’s a pity it doesn’t warm everywhere equally. Here in some places the nordics summers are getting colder and wetter. We don’t get to enjoy warming but would pay for it anyway.
- ethanbond 3y agoFamously, the nuclear threat just solved itself (no it didn’t, and in fact isn’t even solved or meaningfully mitigated) We now have infinite oil (thank you Petro-Jesus for making it so) The ozone hole just healed itself with no action required by humans
- jonplackett 3y agoPretty sure we stopped using the chemicals that made the hole in the ozone layer… and then it healed by itself.
- PodgieTar 3y ago...Which required legislative efforts right? Like, we didn't just all decide to stop. We identified the issues, and made steps towards stopping it. If there was no bans they'd still use it.
- jonplackett 3y agoYeah that was what I meant! It wasn’t a miracle that happened all by itself. It proves exactly that opposite that humans did it though massive cooperation after listening to scientists.
- ethanbond 3y agoCorrect, none of these problems solved themselves. They have been addressed only through huge concerted efforts.
- Applejinx 3y agoHere's hoping nuclear war IS indeed 'out'. Peak Oil sure as heck ain't, and even if you forget about climate change it isn't forgetting about you. It would be a shame if (culturally, as is your framing here) it is on the way out and AI Doom is on the way in… because there's nothing inside the AI Doom box other than the ability to displace human labor. Any hard drive already surpasses human memory for scope and accuracy. We have to get used to machines out-scoping us on technical grounds. We can't run as fast as cars, either, but we're still around to think about and sometimes even attempt 'walkable cities'. Reality always gets a vote. With 'AI Doom' the vote isn't what you think it is. It is a Jacquard loom of words. Some things change hugely, and others aren't even touched.
- mschuster91 3y ago> and the real dangers are quietly and thanklessly mitigated by more competent people. With all your examples, the mitigations were not quiet at all. - nuclear war, well, that one got resolved by an entire empire outright collapsing after engaging in a decades long financial war with both the USSR and the US spending hundreds of billions of dollars every year. - Peak Oil was ... mitigated by making an example out of Iraq and Libya: don't fuck with our oil, or else. On top of that, governments (most notably the EU) instituted strict emissions controls, much to the chagrin of the car establishment. - The ozone hole was mitigated by globally banning CFC gases, again much to the chagrin of the refrigerant industry. - the Y2K problem was mitigated by investing 300 billion dollars in preparation efforts (updating and especially testing), and a further 308 billion dollars in remediation costs worldwide [2]. > Seems like "Climate Change" is on the way out It's certainly not. The "war for attention" may be (as it's being replaced by the Russian War and now the I/P clusterfuck), but this year was among the hottest on historical record, and natural disaster severity and frequency keeps increasing. Unfortunately, this time we can't trust that those in the background will continue to mitigate the problem of climate change. Germany is being politically ripped apart with the only thing keeping the country together being the knowledge of the coalition that a new election would see them replaced by a conservative "trickle down" moron and a ragtag band of Nazis. The Netherlands struggle with the fallout of a few court decisions impacting the agricultural sector. And in the US, Trump is looking to make a comeback, with his fanbase deeming climate change an outright hoax. [1] https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/935886/umfrage/verteidigungsausgaben-der-usa-und-der-udssr/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/935886/umfrag... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem#Cost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem#Cost
- taylodl 3y ago- Nuclear war: averted by MAD? - Peak Oil: happened. EV's are mitigating the consequences. - Ozone hole: treaties banning the world-wide production of CFCs solved the problem. - Y2K Problem: billions of dollars were spent fixing that problem. We did such a great job fixing that problem there are now a bunch of deniers stating the problem never existed in the first place! See a pattern here? These problems just didn't up and solve themselves. We took action and solved them. Since there's no point dwelling on old problems we move on to new problems to solve. That process is otherwise known as advancement.
- paxys 3y agoThe Butlerian Jihad takes place about 11,000 years in the future.
- greentext 3y agoWho says we have to wait?
- throwaway743 3y agoGets brought up frequently regarding this matter, but just check out the hitchhiking robot that ended its journey in Philly.
- flohofwoe 3y agoEven completely ignoring the current AI hype cycle, considering the terrible state of software quality nowadays a proper Butlerian Djihad might be a good thing if that's the only way to reset the status quo ;)
- booleandilemma 3y agoIt all hinges on how the government is planning to handle mass unemployment. If they're just going to be sending out a $1,200 check once a year, then yeah, things are gonna burn.
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- lewhoo 3y agoI wonder at what point OpenAI becomes the new public enemy, the Monsanto or Nestle of tech.