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I think you don't understand how china operates. You conflate so many things at once, most of these aren't governmental censorship. Companies firing people, adv

I think you don't understand how china operates. You conflate so many things at once, most of these aren't governmental censorship. Companies firing people, advertiser dropping influencers, being fact checked, &c. has nothing to do with the government Do you know what censorship is ? Do you know how china enforce censorship ? and at what scale ? If so you can't say in good faith that EU = China.

coldtea 3y ago
>I think you don't understand how china operates. You conflate so many things at once, most of these aren't governmental censorship. A lot of these is outsourced governmental censorship. And all of these support a single narrative, in lock-step about all kinds of issues. >Companies firing people, advertiser dropping influencers, being fact checked, &c. has nothing to do with the government Yeah, just happens to coincide with domestic and foreign policy agendas and narratives the government pushes, and government affiliated/sponsored overt or covert "fact checkers" and "independent bodies", all the way to direct orders from the government. Read on "The Twitter Files: The Censorship Industrial Complex". The private sector companie don't have to be told what to do: they just see where the wind goes and act accordingly. Nobody was fired for being pro-narrative or for firing anti-narrative people. But increasingly they are also told what to do, threatened with related ("disinformation") or unrelated (taxes and such) violations, and such. >Do you know what censorship is ? Do you know how china enforce censorship ? and at what scale ? If so you can't say in good faith that EU = China. No, but I can say that I give very few fucks in what China does, but as a person in the EU I give many fucks what the EU does, and how the public discourse is getting increasingly less open than in past decades. (I wouldn't give much fucks about what the US does internally either, but unfortunately, unlike China, they also export it)
- ethanbond 3y ago
  Matt Taibbi on the Twitter Files: “There's no evidence — that I've seen — of any government involvement in the laptop story."
  - coldtea 3y ago
    Matt Taibbi also on the Twitter Files: thousands of lines, citations, and evidence about goverment directly and covertly asking Big Tech to censor content and people on all kinds of issues, keeping tabs on how that goes, threatening, and so on. Which is actually pertinent to the discussion, as opposed to Biden's son laptop.
    - ethanbond 3y ago
      The government had a more direct “report content” button. Twitter is free, has been free, continues to be free, to ignore or actively reject almost all such requests. These rights are extremely well-established, extremely well-defended, extremely well-known to the lawyers Twitter has on staff. The US has a rich history of being successfully sued for coercing private parties, which Twitter has still never claimed actually occurred to them.
      - coldtea 3y ago
        >Twitter is free, has been free, continues to be free, to ignore or actively reject almost all such requests. Of course it's free to ignore or actively reject all such requests from an entity like the government. Kind of like how a shop owner is free to ignore requests from the goodfellas that pass by and say "Great shop you got here. It would be a shame if anything happened to it".
        ethanbond 3y ago
        So true bud. If only there were 200 years of case law on this exact thing.
        nradov 3y ago
        Yes, and we all hope that the Missouri v. Biden case currently before the Supreme Court will add to that body of case law and further restrict government's ability to interfere with social media. https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4198285-missouri-v-biden-and-the-crossroads-of-politics-censorship-and-free-speech/ https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4198285-missouri-v-bid...
- lm28469 3y ago
  You're free to think whatever you want, just don't expect people to swallow the "EU = literal China" without commenting, especially if you admit of not knowing much about half of your statement. I have yet to see an argument being strengthened by the "it's literally china", "it's literally hitler", &c. techniques
  - coldtea 3y ago
    >You're free to think whatever you want, just don't expect people to swallow the "EU = literal China" Note how nowhere in this thread I said "EU = literal China" or anything to that effect.
- nindalf 3y ago
  > Read on "The Twitter Files: The Censorship Industrial Complex". lol
  - coldtea 3y ago
    Yeah, "lol". It's not like "reputable sources" confirmed it. Like, you know, Saddam's WMDs, or the Steele Dossier, or Biden's laptop being fake news.

coldtea 3y ago

>I think you don't understand how china operates. You conflate so many things at once, most of these aren't governmental censorship. A lot of these is outsourced governmental censorship. And all of these support a single narrative, in lock-step about all kinds of issues. >Companies firing people, advertiser dropping influencers, being fact checked, &c. has nothing to do with the government Yeah, just happens to coincide with domestic and foreign policy agendas and narratives the government pushes, and government affiliated/sponsored overt or covert "fact checkers" and "independent bodies", all the way to direct orders from the government. Read on "The Twitter Files: The Censorship Industrial Complex". The private sector companie don't have to be told what to do: they just see where the wind goes and act accordingly. Nobody was fired for being pro-narrative or for firing anti-narrative people. But increasingly they are also told what to do, threatened with related ("disinformation") or unrelated (taxes and such) violations, and such. >Do you know what censorship is ? Do you know how china enforce censorship ? and at what scale ? If so you can't say in good faith that EU = China. No, but I can say that I give very few fucks in what China does, but as a person in the EU I give many fucks what the EU does, and how the public discourse is getting increasingly less open than in past decades. (I wouldn't give much fucks about what the US does internally either, but unfortunately, unlike China, they also export it)

ethanbond 3y ago
Matt Taibbi on the Twitter Files: “There's no evidence — that I've seen — of any government involvement in the laptop story."
- coldtea 3y ago
  Matt Taibbi also on the Twitter Files: thousands of lines, citations, and evidence about goverment directly and covertly asking Big Tech to censor content and people on all kinds of issues, keeping tabs on how that goes, threatening, and so on. Which is actually pertinent to the discussion, as opposed to Biden's son laptop.
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    The government had a more direct “report content” button. Twitter is free, has been free, continues to be free, to ignore or actively reject almost all such requests. These rights are extremely well-established, extremely well-defended, extremely well-known to the lawyers Twitter has on staff. The US has a rich history of being successfully sued for coercing private parties, which Twitter has still never claimed actually occurred to them.
    - coldtea 3y ago
      >Twitter is free, has been free, continues to be free, to ignore or actively reject almost all such requests. Of course it's free to ignore or actively reject all such requests from an entity like the government. Kind of like how a shop owner is free to ignore requests from the goodfellas that pass by and say "Great shop you got here. It would be a shame if anything happened to it".
      - ethanbond 3y ago
        So true bud. If only there were 200 years of case law on this exact thing.
        nradov 3y ago
        Yes, and we all hope that the Missouri v. Biden case currently before the Supreme Court will add to that body of case law and further restrict government's ability to interfere with social media. https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4198285-missouri-v-biden-and-the-crossroads-of-politics-censorship-and-free-speech/ https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4198285-missouri-v-bid...
lm28469 3y ago
You're free to think whatever you want, just don't expect people to swallow the "EU = literal China" without commenting, especially if you admit of not knowing much about half of your statement. I have yet to see an argument being strengthened by the "it's literally china", "it's literally hitler", &c. techniques
- coldtea 3y ago
  >You're free to think whatever you want, just don't expect people to swallow the "EU = literal China" Note how nowhere in this thread I said "EU = literal China" or anything to that effect.
nindalf 3y ago
> Read on "The Twitter Files: The Censorship Industrial Complex". lol
- coldtea 3y ago
  Yeah, "lol". It's not like "reputable sources" confirmed it. Like, you know, Saddam's WMDs, or the Steele Dossier, or Biden's laptop being fake news.