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Like it or loath it, X is the best place for free speech. It's rather incredible that X was investigated first, given that bin Laden's "Letter to America" rece

Like it or loath it, X is the best place for free speech. It's rather incredible that X was investigated first, given that bin Laden's "Letter to America" recently went viral on TikTok. However it's worse still that the EU thinks its role is to investigate what should and should not be considered "misinformation". It was not that long ago that saying Covid came from a lab leak was "misinformation". The whole concept of bureaucrats becoming the arbiters of truth arguably breaks the EU's subsidiarity principle, which "aims to ensure that decisions are taken at the closest possible level to the citizen and that constant checks are made to verify that action at the European Union (EU) level is justified in light of the possibilities available at the national, regional or local level." https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/glossary/principle-of-subsidiarity.html https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/glossary/principl...

wredue 3y ago
Saying Covid came from lab leak is still misinformation The virus still shows genetic markers for natural origin. The “evidence” for lab leak is “it’s happened before. China. There was duct cleaning sometime” Saying something over and over doesn’t magically make it more true. There is absolutely no good evidence what-so-ever for lab leak, while there is strong evidence (genetic markers) for natural origin.
- tjpnz 3y ago
  Bringing a virus into a lab for study doesn't automatically alter its genetic markers.
  - wredue 3y ago
    The worlds leading microbiologists and virologists with billions of dollars of dedicated equipment and tests vs the massively biased opinion of @tjpnz because being wrong destroys your position You’re wrong.
    - throwawa14223 3y ago
      The gulf between wrong and removed from the internet for being wrong is massive.
      - wredue 3y ago
        Ah, so your evidence for your counter positions against all of the worlds leading experts on this field is “There’s an elitist conspiracy to remove the truth from the internet.” This despite the fact that HN, Reddit, twitter, Facebook literally EVERYWHERE is littered with your ridiculous claim. Again. The reason I don’t believe you is because the actual experts in examining the origin of a virus state that it looks natural, while you, who has zero qualifications other than “I did my own research with Facebook memes bro”, state that the worlds leading experts are all organized in a conspiracy with worldwide ISPs, alt-right tech giants like twitter and Facebook who are known to intentionally propagate disinformation intentionally, and media to convince you otherwise for absolutely no benefit what-so-ever. You are not a victim of a conspiracy, just of falling prey to propaganda.
        throwawa14223 3y ago
        My ridiculous claim? That people who are wrong can say their peace? I have no clue what you're responding to. EDIT: Is your assertion that there does not exist a period where 'covid misinformation' got removed?
- TMWNN 3y ago
  >Saying Covid came from lab leak is still misinformation You are two years behind the curve. See the Washington Post's 2021 recap of its own and other media outlets' actions, after at first taking your side <https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/the-media-called-the-lab-leak-story-a-conspiracy-theory-now-its-prompted-corrections--and-serious-new-reporting/2021/06/10/c93972e6-c7b2-11eb-a11b-6c6191ccd599_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/the-media-cal...> >Other articles and headlines characterized the theory as “false” or “debunked.” >But many of those news organizations have begun to amend their approach in light of a shifting consensus. >The Post originally described Cotton’s remarks as “debunked” and a “conspiracy theory” in a February 2020 article. But last week, The Post rewrote the article’s headline, softening “conspiracy theory” to “fringe theory” and noting that scientists have “disputed” it rather than “debunked” it. A correction said the article had “inaccurately characterized” Cotton’s comments “because, then as now, there was no determination about the origins of the virus.” Post managing editor Cameron Barr said “questions from readers and others” prompted a reexamination of the story.
tzs 3y ago
> It's rather incredible that X was investigated first, given that bin Laden's "Letter to America" recently went viral on TikTok ...and then TikTok removed it. > It was not that long ago that saying Covid came from a lab leak was "misinformation" Just saying it might have been a lab leak didn't get it labeled that way, at least in all the media I read. Saying it was almost certainly a lab leak and presenting scientific evidence to support that argument also didn't get it labeled. What got it labeled was things like saying it was proven to be a lab leak and proven to have been deliberate, with no evidence presented for it being a leak and no evidence presented that it was deliberate, and accusations that everyone presenting evidence that it might not be a lab leak being accused to being secret agents of the CCP.
- TMWNN 3y ago
  >Just saying it might have been a lab leak didn't get it labeled that way, at least in all the media I read. Then you weren't paying attention. See the Washington Post's 2021 recap of its own and other media outlets' actions. <https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/the-media-called-the-lab-leak-story-a-conspiracy-theory-now-its-prompted-corrections--and-serious-new-reporting/2021/06/10/c93972e6-c7b2-11eb-a11b-6c6191ccd599_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/the-media-cal...> >Other articles and headlines characterized the theory as “false” or “debunked.” >But many of those news organizations have begun to amend their approach in light of a shifting consensus. >The Post originally described Cotton’s remarks as “debunked” and a “conspiracy theory” in a February 2020 article. But last week, The Post rewrote the article’s headline, softening “conspiracy theory” to “fringe theory” and noting that scientists have “disputed” it rather than “debunked” it. A correction said the article had “inaccurately characterized” Cotton’s comments “because, then as now, there was no determination about the origins of the virus.” Post managing editor Cameron Barr said “questions from readers and others” prompted a reexamination of the story.

wredue 3y ago

Saying Covid came from lab leak is still misinformation The virus still shows genetic markers for natural origin. The “evidence” for lab leak is “it’s happened before. China. There was duct cleaning sometime” Saying something over and over doesn’t magically make it more true. There is absolutely no good evidence what-so-ever for lab leak, while there is strong evidence (genetic markers) for natural origin.

tjpnz 3y ago
Bringing a virus into a lab for study doesn't automatically alter its genetic markers.
- wredue 3y ago
  The worlds leading microbiologists and virologists with billions of dollars of dedicated equipment and tests vs the massively biased opinion of @tjpnz because being wrong destroys your position You’re wrong.
  - throwawa14223 3y ago
    The gulf between wrong and removed from the internet for being wrong is massive.
    - wredue 3y ago
      Ah, so your evidence for your counter positions against all of the worlds leading experts on this field is “There’s an elitist conspiracy to remove the truth from the internet.” This despite the fact that HN, Reddit, twitter, Facebook literally EVERYWHERE is littered with your ridiculous claim. Again. The reason I don’t believe you is because the actual experts in examining the origin of a virus state that it looks natural, while you, who has zero qualifications other than “I did my own research with Facebook memes bro”, state that the worlds leading experts are all organized in a conspiracy with worldwide ISPs, alt-right tech giants like twitter and Facebook who are known to intentionally propagate disinformation intentionally, and media to convince you otherwise for absolutely no benefit what-so-ever. You are not a victim of a conspiracy, just of falling prey to propaganda.
      - throwawa14223 3y ago
        My ridiculous claim? That people who are wrong can say their peace? I have no clue what you're responding to. EDIT: Is your assertion that there does not exist a period where 'covid misinformation' got removed?
TMWNN 3y ago
>Saying Covid came from lab leak is still misinformation You are two years behind the curve. See the Washington Post's 2021 recap of its own and other media outlets' actions, after at first taking your side <https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/the-media-called-the-lab-leak-story-a-conspiracy-theory-now-its-prompted-corrections--and-serious-new-reporting/2021/06/10/c93972e6-c7b2-11eb-a11b-6c6191ccd599_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/the-media-cal...> >Other articles and headlines characterized the theory as “false” or “debunked.” >But many of those news organizations have begun to amend their approach in light of a shifting consensus. >The Post originally described Cotton’s remarks as “debunked” and a “conspiracy theory” in a February 2020 article. But last week, The Post rewrote the article’s headline, softening “conspiracy theory” to “fringe theory” and noting that scientists have “disputed” it rather than “debunked” it. A correction said the article had “inaccurately characterized” Cotton’s comments “because, then as now, there was no determination about the origins of the virus.” Post managing editor Cameron Barr said “questions from readers and others” prompted a reexamination of the story.

tzs 3y ago

> It's rather incredible that X was investigated first, given that bin Laden's "Letter to America" recently went viral on TikTok ...and then TikTok removed it. > It was not that long ago that saying Covid came from a lab leak was "misinformation" Just saying it might have been a lab leak didn't get it labeled that way, at least in all the media I read. Saying it was almost certainly a lab leak and presenting scientific evidence to support that argument also didn't get it labeled. What got it labeled was things like saying it was proven to be a lab leak and proven to have been deliberate, with no evidence presented for it being a leak and no evidence presented that it was deliberate, and accusations that everyone presenting evidence that it might not be a lab leak being accused to being secret agents of the CCP.

TMWNN 3y ago
>Just saying it might have been a lab leak didn't get it labeled that way, at least in all the media I read. Then you weren't paying attention. See the Washington Post's 2021 recap of its own and other media outlets' actions. <https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/the-media-called-the-lab-leak-story-a-conspiracy-theory-now-its-prompted-corrections--and-serious-new-reporting/2021/06/10/c93972e6-c7b2-11eb-a11b-6c6191ccd599_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/the-media-cal...> >Other articles and headlines characterized the theory as “false” or “debunked.” >But many of those news organizations have begun to amend their approach in light of a shifting consensus. >The Post originally described Cotton’s remarks as “debunked” and a “conspiracy theory” in a February 2020 article. But last week, The Post rewrote the article’s headline, softening “conspiracy theory” to “fringe theory” and noting that scientists have “disputed” it rather than “debunked” it. A correction said the article had “inaccurately characterized” Cotton’s comments “because, then as now, there was no determination about the origins of the virus.” Post managing editor Cameron Barr said “questions from readers and others” prompted a reexamination of the story.