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These "how it's pronounced" thing are funny. It's pronounced how it's written, because 99.999% of people won't bother to figure out what the correct, non-writte
by pluc 3y ago
These "how it's pronounced" thing are funny. It's pronounced how it's written, because 99.999% of people won't bother to figure out what the correct, non-written pronunciation is. If you can't pronounce it, it's an abbreviation and it's not meant to be pronounced. It's like The RZA. I call him R.Z.A not Riza cause that ain't how that shit is written. If you wanna be called Riza, call yourself Riza, don't make me fill in the blanks or extrapolate, that's not how reading works.
- dontlaugh 3y agoThat attitude only really works in languages spelled consistently. English has far more ridiculous spelling, like Leicester for example.
- Culonavirus 3y agoAh yes, reminds me of my favourite meat flavoring ingredient, the Wurstwrsrcer sauce.
- ubutler 3y agoLet us not forget colonel and (in UK English) lieutenant (relevant: https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-19576,00.html https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-19...).
- mcny 3y agoWorcestershire sauce I don't care how these people want me to say their name. Worcester is like Manchester but with wor instead of man for me.
- fullstop 3y agoThat reminds me of a joke about someone calling for an ambulance because a friend was injured and incapacitated. The 911 dispatcher asked for their location, and the caller saw that they were on Worcestershire Street. Being unable to pronounce the word, they dragged the body over to Pine Street and continued the call.
- kcplate 3y agoI just call it in my southern drawl “what’s this here, sauce”
- chiefalchemist 3y agoAm I the only one thinking of the famous The Three Stooges bit right now?
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- themerone 3y agoAmerican English is a bit more sane than British English. Noah Webster and other american dictionary publishers change a lot of spellings to be closer to their pronunciation.
- Affric 3y agoI don’t think there is a meaningful difference. American English still indulges etymological and traditional spellings for heaps of words. In cases like “fillet” and “valet” American English goes with “French” pronunciation.
- KineticLensman 3y ago> In cases like “fillet” and “valet” American English goes with “French” pronunciation. I recall seeing an American somewhere in France getting frustrated when hotel staff couldn't understand what he meant by "maître-d", with his emphasis increasingly placed on the 'dee' as he got more and more annoyed. (disclaimer: Brit here, not defending our pronunciation of Worcestershire)
- bitwize 3y agoThank you for the hilarious image of an obnoxious American tourist shouting "I need to talk to the Mater DEE!" at a baffled Frenchman. > (disclaimer: Brit here, not defending our pronunciation of Worcestershire) The Americans typically pronounce it some form of "Wooshishurr". I used to live in Massachusetts, and my wife would complain about the British-inspired place names and their local pronunciation. "I'm from Louisiana, I can't with your New England names! There's no 'lemon' in Leominster!" I would gently remind her of how 'Natchitoches' is pronounced; it's certainly not as written.
- KineticLensman 3y agoThe North Americans got their own back on me on one trip when I asked for a glass of 'water'. I increased my southern English accent until I was saying 'wart-er'. I then realised that I needed to say 'wadder' and then it worked; service with big smiles all round.
- jjgreen 3y agoIn England, most people say less-tur, in Leicester it's less-tarr ...
- macintux 3y agoThat’s the differentiator between an initialism and an acronym: acronyms are intended to be pronounced as a word, initialisms are read out individually. NASA vs DoD e.g.
- blovescoffee 3y agoThis is an odd bone to pick with someone who constantly pronounces their name in their music.
- cassianoleal 3y agoHow do you pronounce Riza? Is the "i" pronounced as in "I", the pronoun? Or as "ee"? What about the "R"? Is it an "r" like in the English language, with the tongue folded towards the back of the palate? Is it a rolling "r" like it's common in Spanish, Portuguese and many other languages? Is it a scratch sound produced by pressing the back of the tongue against the soft palate like it's common in Portuguese, Hebrew and others?
- mcpackieh 3y agoYou pronounce Riza the same way you pronounce any other name; whichever way feels most natural to you the speaker. If the person with that name wants you to pronounce it another way, they'll tell you (and if they aren't in earshot, then it doesn't matter.) Pronunciations are clarified using this simple social protocol. About half the people I encounter pronounce my last name "wrong", I correct them if I'm in the mood to care, and that's it.
- cassianoleal 3y agoHow's that any different from the RZA example then?
- mcpackieh 3y agoI'm answering the question "How do I pronounce ...?" The procedure is the same for any name or technical term. You pronounce it however you feel is best (which will mean different people pronounce it in different ways.) Then if anybody feels strongly about it, a simple social protocol is used to negotiate a different pronunciation. It's not any different, it works the same for any pronunciation ambiguity.
- cassianoleal 3y agoMy post was in response to > If you wanna be called Riza, call yourself Riza, don't make me fill in the blanks or extrapolate, that's not how reading works. Your post is "technically correct - the best kind of correct". Unfortunately, it doesn't add anything at all to the discussion. Thanks for the effort but at least in my case, it only served to increase confusion a little.
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- chiefalchemist 3y agoIDK. Artist should be allowed to take liberties, be creative, etc. That's why their artists. It's not like RZA or Riza is his government name.
- grepfru_it 3y ago…but the RZA says his name as “Riza” on 36 chambers. Thats like someone saying “hi my name is Richard” and you say “hi Dick” PS I am part of the f-sick camp
- williamcotton 3y agoIf what you say is true, the Shaolin and the Wu-Tang could be dangerous. Bring the motherfscking ruckus!
- igorguerrero 3y agoThis comment is "ignorance is a bliss" exemplified. If RZA calls himself "riza" then that be how is pronounced. My name is "eegor" not "eyegor" is not what you want to call things is how they are pronounced.
- amelius 3y agoThat's not how it works. If some popular YouTuber calls you "eyegor", then that will be how your name is pronounced.
- crossroadsguy 3y agoNo, if Riza writes RZA and calls it Riza then he is free to call RZA Riza others are not obliged to. Abbreviation is abbreviation. But Riza calls Riza as “Rieyazza”, why? well, whims and fancy, then maybe that can work out. Besides I don’t fsck calls itself something unless we are talking about AI or some shit. For example I never call GUI “Gooey” but others do and that’s fine. Neither GUI nor RZA is an acronym really unless we plan to make every abbreviation an acronym.
- pluc 3y agoI'm going to start a new company, call it Meta Fucks Disney, but it's pronounced "pshaw", you can be my lawyer.
- jl6 3y agoThat approach works if you mostly see the word written, rather than hear it spoken. If you spend most of your time immersed in text and not much time immersed in speech, you might develop a bias towards thinking the written word is the primary form. For “fsck” you could make a case that it comes from a primarily written culture.
- User23 3y agoMay I recommend Wales as a lovely vacation spot for you?
- 0xbadcafebee 3y agoI'm guessing you don't like French...
- dfawcus 3y agoIf I was to try, probably "Are-Za". However I suspect that would quickly evolve in to "Arse".
- jprd 3y agoDo you also refuse to call him Bobby Digital, The Abbot, etc?
- impegh 3y agoMy guy, he and his friends constantly pronounce their names for you in their songs. > I call him R.Z.A not Riza cause that ain't how that shit is written. I know rza is wholly unaffected by your pronunciation of his name, but I implore you to rethink this behavior with people actually in your life. Pronounce other peoples names the way THEY want you to, anything else is just narcissistic.