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There's plenty of land for food and energy, we just have to eat less meat.
by hgomersall 3y ago
There's plenty of land for food and energy, we just have to eat less meat.
- Ekaros 3y agoAnd really we should optimize the land use in general. Single family housing is also huge waste of energy. A few square meters per person in massive shared places is enough to survive. We could bulldoze all single family homes and then fill the now vacant office spaces with bunk beds for more sustainable living...
- hgomersall 3y agoWho's advocating that? My point was in response to unspecified concerns that I took to be that we wouldn't be able to support the population if we have too much solar, which is emphatically not true.
- Ekaros 3y agoYou were advocating for absolutely massive lowering of living standards. As clearly eating less meat is making live lot worse. I just took on myself to present next logical and less bad step. We do not need more than handful of square meters to live. So as quality of life does not matter in this conversation. We should explore next steps we can take to save the planet. By getting rid of anything that is not absolutely needed for survival.
- hgomersall 3y agoI'm not advocating anything. I'm simply pointing out that there's plenty of land for both solar and food, and frankly that includes a decent quantity of meat. I expect the consequences would be the price of meat might go up. Moreover, why does eating less meat make living worse? I daresay your view is not universally held.
- Ekaros 3y agoSo are you suggesting moving everyone to shared living spaces is making living worse? I daresay your view is not universally held either. I expect the consequences be massive reduction in cost of housing. I'm simply pointing as valid alternative solution.
- ben_w 3y agoNah, you're being snarky. Rooftop PV is common, so reducing housing land area per capita completely fails to make any difference at all to the land area required for enough PV to power those homes.
- ben_w 3y ago> As clearly eating less meat is making live lot worse I have no idea why anyone would think this. I've been vegetarian for as long as I've had a say in my diet without any problem. Food in general is necessary, but any specific diet is only rarely mandatory. (OTOH, if your entire experience has been vegan "cheese" then I sympathise, that has been a travesty every time I've tried it).
- SoftTalker 3y agoSounds like a fine modest proposal.
- Dylan16807 3y ago[flagged]
- ben_w 3y agoI'm all in favour of getting people off meat, but you don't even need to do that in order to get enough land for PV.