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Am I understating this correctly … If you self-host & have more than 10 users, there is no option for you to use another push notification service (like https:
by tiffanyh 3y ago
Am I understating this correctly …
If you self-host & have more than 10 users, there is no option for you to use another push notification service (like https://pushover.net/ https://pushover.net/)
You either pay for zulip or don’t get push notifications?
- pseudalopex 3y agoYou can send notifications from your own server. But you have to patch the mobile apps.[1] [1] https://zulip.readthedocs.io/en/8.0/production/mobile-push-notifications.html#sending-push-notifications-directly-from-your-server https://zulip.readthedocs.io/en/8.0/production/mobile-push-n...
- tiffanyh 3y agoSo you’d have to publish to the App Store your own patched mobile app?
- dijit 3y agoYou could also use testflight or distribute it internally using an MDM if you are large enough.
- emptysongglass 3y agoWait why does selfhosting Matrix and using the Element app give me notifications for free but Zulip tells me I can pay them or recompile my app? Does that seem right to you?
- wmf 3y agoIt sounds like you're being subsidized by Element which may not last forever either. We're not entitled to free centralized push notifications.
- emptysongglass 3y agoThat is totally wild to me. Of course we are entitled to free notifications if we run the infrastructure. Who is subsidizing my XMPP client notifications? Why has this never been a problem for any other chat client until Zulip? If literally every other chat client to a FOSS chat server can make it work without crumpling under costs, Zulip is in the wrong and should not do this.
- wmf 3y agoAre you running the infrastructure? If push notifications go from your Matrix server to some server run by Element to Apple to your phone then Element is subsidizing you.
- Aeolun 3y agoAm I not subsidizing them by not running all my chat messages through their server?
- weikju 3y agothe push notifications are a centralized service that does go through their servers, even when you self-host the chat itself.
- Aeolun 3y agoYeah, but everything else being equal (using Element), I have my account on their server too, and use push messages there. Or I only use their push messages and host my own server. As far as I understand both are free.
- weikju 3y agoSo you have nothing to worry about, then. If you were running your own Matrix server, and wanted to use their push infrastructure.. Well you're still fine for now but who knows in the future.
- paulgb 3y agoI'm actually impressed that their commitment to open source extends far enough to provide instructions for how to do this.