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Yes, because they have more to gain from taking the risk. Think about it for a moment.

Shish2k 3y ago
If you’re only thinking about it for long enough to come up with a single hypothesis, and then confidently declaring that you have the correct answer, I’d suggest maybe thinking about it for longer than a moment :)
- photon_lines 3y ago
  It's not a single hypothesis. If you want me to write an essay on hacker news on all the behavioral differences between males and females - it's tough luck :) If you have counter-arguments - post them so I can refute them. Cheers.
  - dekhn 3y ago
    Surely you must realize that your comments here and above are ... simply not convincing? You say "we don't need to think about it", then give your own simplified explanation (which is mostly likely not a sufficient one) and then refuse to explain further, just doubling down on "my idea is right".
    - photon_lines 3y ago
      I edited my comment thanks to you. If you have refutations or other arguments - feel free to write about them in LONG detail and I'll do my best to get back to you. Otherwise the explanation I provided above is the best I could do given the circumstances.
bumby 3y ago
The article's main thrust is a focus on risks that have negligible gain. So in that context your argument reads, "they have more to gain from a risk that has negligible gain."
- naasking 3y ago
  Negligible gain can still be enough to distinguish oneself. What gain do colourful feathers on birds really have except to draw attention. Also, evolution is likely not precise enough to have evolved accurate intuitions about the fitness value of all possible risks. We should expect some reasonably broad degree of randomness around the value of risk taking.
  - bumby 3y ago
    I disagree. It's a self-contradictory point. I was being charitable to call it "negligible" considering the article also refers to the gain as "non-existent." >"What gain do colourful feathers on birds really have except to draw attention" When drawing attention gives you a disproportionate advantage to attracting a mate vs. attracting a predator, it's a very important (and non-neglible) gain. >We should expect some reasonably broad degree of randomness around the value of risk taking. I don't think this negates the point. Just because the there is a distribution in the value doesn't mean there isn't a statistically significant directionality of that distribution. I can say there's a distribution of individual player height in the NBA, but that doesn't mean we can't draw conclusions about height having generalized value at the population level regarding the chances of making it to professional basketball.
    - naasking 3y ago
      > When drawing attention gives you a disproportionate advantage to attracting a mate vs. attracting a predator, it's a very important (and non-neglible) gain. Humans have no natural predators, so one side of the equation is zero, and the other non-zero. > Just because the there is a distribution in the value doesn't mean there isn't a statistically significant directionality of that distribution. Yes, and there is directionality in risk-taking as well. Discoveries, fortunes and high-value mates all require risk taking. Even risks that appear to have negligible or even zero fitness value, like extreme sports, have netted many people valuable sponsorships or YouTube fame and fortune. Evolution is not precise and simply cannot capture the full nuance of a concept like "status" in human culture, therefore it has permitted a broad distribution of risk taking.
oh_sigh 3y ago
Except that a lot of risky male behavior doesn't impress most women. Maybe it impresses other risky-behaving men though, and the respect those risky-behaving men show the risk taker translates into more desirability from women.
- photon_lines 3y ago
  It may not impress women, but there are lots of studies which show that men expand a lot more energy in engaging risk-related behavior when other females are around. Whether this is biologically adaptable or not may be a question which needs to be probed further, but risk-related behavior and competition have been closely linked in humans...
- Shorel 3y ago
  Seems to me a bit like the adversarial networks used to train AI. Of course, you want an adversarial network that's difficult to trick, otherwise the training will produce suboptimal results.
- lupusreal 3y ago
  It only has to impress a few women to pay off.

If you’re only thinking about it for long enough to come up with a single hypothesis, and then confidently declaring that you have the correct answer, I’d suggest maybe thinking about it for longer than a moment :)

photon_lines 3y ago
It's not a single hypothesis. If you want me to write an essay on hacker news on all the behavioral differences between males and females - it's tough luck :) If you have counter-arguments - post them so I can refute them. Cheers.
- dekhn 3y ago
  Surely you must realize that your comments here and above are ... simply not convincing? You say "we don't need to think about it", then give your own simplified explanation (which is mostly likely not a sufficient one) and then refuse to explain further, just doubling down on "my idea is right".
  - photon_lines 3y ago
    I edited my comment thanks to you. If you have refutations or other arguments - feel free to write about them in LONG detail and I'll do my best to get back to you. Otherwise the explanation I provided above is the best I could do given the circumstances.

bumby 3y ago

The article's main thrust is a focus on risks that have negligible gain. So in that context your argument reads, "they have more to gain from a risk that has negligible gain."

naasking 3y ago
Negligible gain can still be enough to distinguish oneself. What gain do colourful feathers on birds really have except to draw attention. Also, evolution is likely not precise enough to have evolved accurate intuitions about the fitness value of all possible risks. We should expect some reasonably broad degree of randomness around the value of risk taking.
- bumby 3y ago
  I disagree. It's a self-contradictory point. I was being charitable to call it "negligible" considering the article also refers to the gain as "non-existent." >"What gain do colourful feathers on birds really have except to draw attention" When drawing attention gives you a disproportionate advantage to attracting a mate vs. attracting a predator, it's a very important (and non-neglible) gain. >We should expect some reasonably broad degree of randomness around the value of risk taking. I don't think this negates the point. Just because the there is a distribution in the value doesn't mean there isn't a statistically significant directionality of that distribution. I can say there's a distribution of individual player height in the NBA, but that doesn't mean we can't draw conclusions about height having generalized value at the population level regarding the chances of making it to professional basketball.
  - naasking 3y ago
    > When drawing attention gives you a disproportionate advantage to attracting a mate vs. attracting a predator, it's a very important (and non-neglible) gain. Humans have no natural predators, so one side of the equation is zero, and the other non-zero. > Just because the there is a distribution in the value doesn't mean there isn't a statistically significant directionality of that distribution. Yes, and there is directionality in risk-taking as well. Discoveries, fortunes and high-value mates all require risk taking. Even risks that appear to have negligible or even zero fitness value, like extreme sports, have netted many people valuable sponsorships or YouTube fame and fortune. Evolution is not precise and simply cannot capture the full nuance of a concept like "status" in human culture, therefore it has permitted a broad distribution of risk taking.

oh_sigh 3y ago

Except that a lot of risky male behavior doesn't impress most women. Maybe it impresses other risky-behaving men though, and the respect those risky-behaving men show the risk taker translates into more desirability from women.

photon_lines 3y ago
It may not impress women, but there are lots of studies which show that men expand a lot more energy in engaging risk-related behavior when other females are around. Whether this is biologically adaptable or not may be a question which needs to be probed further, but risk-related behavior and competition have been closely linked in humans...
Shorel 3y ago
Seems to me a bit like the adversarial networks used to train AI. Of course, you want an adversarial network that's difficult to trick, otherwise the training will produce suboptimal results.
lupusreal 3y ago
It only has to impress a few women to pay off.