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Growing up in a country with internet censorship, I can tell it is a huge slippery slope not to mention the dangers of having to upload government ID to access

Growing up in a country with internet censorship, I can tell it is a huge slippery slope not to mention the dangers of having to upload government ID to access adult websites. I hope politicians come to their senses on this.

cibcin 3y ago
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- jsbg 3y ago
  did you read the article? the law would be broad enough to require privacy-invading age verification systems for search engines
  - nibnic 3y ago
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    - some_random 3y ago
      Yeah I'll bet there are a lot of porn addicts if you define that to mean "goes to a porn site, ever"
    - cwillu 3y ago
      Two new alt accounts in what, 5 minutes?
      - deleted 3y ago
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- munk-a 3y ago
  This sentiment is really playing to the "the guilty have nothing to hide" line of reasoning and that's a scary place to be.
- stickfigure 3y ago
  You've been spamming this topic from a new account (possibly multiple), and here we get at the root of it - you want to ban porn.
  - nextaltaccount 3y ago
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- Geisterde 3y ago
  Look at this, someone who is going to have to learn the hard way.
goda90 3y ago
If they really want to do this without any privacy invasion ulterior motives, then someone needs to push an anonymous credentials scheme. Have the government give people age verification keys. A person uses their key to verify their age on a website, but the website won't know who they are, and the government won't know they accessed said website(outside any other means of tracking internet traffic).
- MzHN 3y ago
  In China they already took a step further. The kids were using their parents' ID card to play games, so those games had to implement face recognition in addition to the ID card. https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/9/22567029/tencent-china-facial-recognition-honor-of-kings-game-for-peace https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/9/22567029/tencent-china-fac...
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    I can see a unique dick registry now.
SenAnder 3y ago
> adult websites Don't buy their framing - every website with user-uploaded content is an "adult website" in the eyes of this law. If one of your users uploads a single jpeg of porn/hateful political rant/description of self harm, you'll be liable for "not implementing adequate measures to prevent minors from being exposed to pornography/harmful material/incitement to violence". "Adequate measures" are, of course, a complete loss of anonymity, adding your website to the surveillance state apparatus.
99_00 3y ago
The bill doesn't say anything about uploading government ID. It says that it is illegal for a company to to give porn to kids. The company can defend it's self against the charge if they have a "prescribed age-verification method".
- logicchains 3y ago
  >The company can defend it's self against the charge if they have a "prescribed age-verification method". And the prescribed age-verification method is going to be government ID.
  - 99_00 3y ago
    What do you base that on?
    - genocidicbunny 3y ago
      On the basis of what the hell else could you reasonably use to establish someone's age? A copy of their birth certificate?
    - retrac 3y ago
      What age verification system exists other than government ID? The only way we ever verify someone's age for legal purposes, at least here in Canada, is by checking government ID. Birth certificate, driver's permit, photo ID card, health card. They all have your birth date on it. A younger adult may need to show this ID if they look particularly young and want to buy cigarettes or alcohol. Though relevant to the topic, I would note that the same young adult may need to show ID to buy pornography on DVD or Bluray at a retail store. That's already established and I would think few object to that. It's the security and privacy issues that arise when we start sending this data in a recorded and logged form over the Internet. This remains true whether it's a government ID or a privately issued ID.
      - 99_00 3y ago
        >It's the security and privacy issues that arise when we start sending this data in a recorded and logged form over the Internet. That's for consumers and distributors to figure out. The lack of trust between consumers and distributors is no reason to continue allowing online porn to be exempt from long established and agreed upon controls.
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cibcin 3y ago

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jsbg 3y ago
did you read the article? the law would be broad enough to require privacy-invading age verification systems for search engines
- nibnic 3y ago
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  - some_random 3y ago
    Yeah I'll bet there are a lot of porn addicts if you define that to mean "goes to a porn site, ever"
  - cwillu 3y ago
    Two new alt accounts in what, 5 minutes?
    - deleted 3y ago
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munk-a 3y ago
This sentiment is really playing to the "the guilty have nothing to hide" line of reasoning and that's a scary place to be.
stickfigure 3y ago
You've been spamming this topic from a new account (possibly multiple), and here we get at the root of it - you want to ban porn.
- nextaltaccount 3y ago
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Geisterde 3y ago
Look at this, someone who is going to have to learn the hard way.

goda90 3y ago

If they really want to do this without any privacy invasion ulterior motives, then someone needs to push an anonymous credentials scheme. Have the government give people age verification keys. A person uses their key to verify their age on a website, but the website won't know who they are, and the government won't know they accessed said website(outside any other means of tracking internet traffic).

MzHN 3y ago
In China they already took a step further. The kids were using their parents' ID card to play games, so those games had to implement face recognition in addition to the ID card. https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/9/22567029/tencent-china-facial-recognition-honor-of-kings-game-for-peace https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/9/22567029/tencent-china-fac...
- ipaddr 3y ago
  I can see a unique dick registry now.

SenAnder 3y ago

> adult websites Don't buy their framing - every website with user-uploaded content is an "adult website" in the eyes of this law. If one of your users uploads a single jpeg of porn/hateful political rant/description of self harm, you'll be liable for "not implementing adequate measures to prevent minors from being exposed to pornography/harmful material/incitement to violence". "Adequate measures" are, of course, a complete loss of anonymity, adding your website to the surveillance state apparatus.

99_00 3y ago

The bill doesn't say anything about uploading government ID. It says that it is illegal for a company to to give porn to kids. The company can defend it's self against the charge if they have a "prescribed age-verification method".

logicchains 3y ago
>The company can defend it's self against the charge if they have a "prescribed age-verification method". And the prescribed age-verification method is going to be government ID.
- 99_00 3y ago
  What do you base that on?
  - genocidicbunny 3y ago
    On the basis of what the hell else could you reasonably use to establish someone's age? A copy of their birth certificate?
  - retrac 3y ago
    What age verification system exists other than government ID? The only way we ever verify someone's age for legal purposes, at least here in Canada, is by checking government ID. Birth certificate, driver's permit, photo ID card, health card. They all have your birth date on it. A younger adult may need to show this ID if they look particularly young and want to buy cigarettes or alcohol. Though relevant to the topic, I would note that the same young adult may need to show ID to buy pornography on DVD or Bluray at a retail store. That's already established and I would think few object to that. It's the security and privacy issues that arise when we start sending this data in a recorded and logged form over the Internet. This remains true whether it's a government ID or a privately issued ID.
    - 99_00 3y ago
      >It's the security and privacy issues that arise when we start sending this data in a recorded and logged form over the Internet. That's for consumers and distributors to figure out. The lack of trust between consumers and distributors is no reason to continue allowing online porn to be exempt from long established and agreed upon controls.

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