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Interesting this timeline of the NYT "losing its way" only begins at the point of allowing Trump to be elected - I seem to recall a lot of stuff written in that

Interesting this timeline of the NYT "losing its way" only begins at the point of allowing Trump to be elected - I seem to recall a lot of stuff written in that paper around 2001 which was obviously not consistent with the ethical and professional practice of journalism, to the degree that we as middle-schoolers learned the concept of "manufacturing consent" to describe what was happening in the news. And the timeline begins here for me just due to age; probably it goes back further

purpleflame1257 3y ago
Back to the 20s and 30s at least, when they ran glowing coverage of the USSR's forced collectivization, ignoring the resulting mass famines and megadeaths. The NYT would be better served as a one page crossword sheet with wedding announcements on the back.
- 303uru 3y ago
  Lol, the wedding announcements. A family friend who started what's essentially an SSO for education got a glowing wedding announcement and I found it so embarrassing. Who cares?
- meowface 3y ago
  They did apologize for that: https://www.nytco.com/company/prizes-awards/new-york-times-statement-about-1932-pulitzer-prize-awarded-to-walter-duranty/ https://www.nytco.com/company/prizes-awards/new-york-times-s... It's still completely inexcusable, but I think they understand how wrong it was.
Mountain_Skies 3y ago
Jayson Blair alone is highly noteworthy and came over a decade before the timeline presented.
eesmith 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_of_Our_Times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_of_Our_Times > Lies of Our Times (LOOT) was a political magazine published between January 1990 and December 1994. The magazine was published on a monthly basis.[1] Ellen Ray was both its co-founder and publisher.[2] It served not only as a general media critic, but as a watchdog of The New York Times, which the magazine referred to as "the most cited news medium in the United Slates, our paper of record."[3] Archived publications at https://archive.org/details/LiesOfOurTimesCollection/Aug1990-V1-N8/ https://archive.org/details/LiesOfOurTimesCollection/Aug1990... to give an idea of what it covered.
abvdasker 3y ago
I came here to note the Times' unacknowledged lies about the Bush admin and Iraq War and was pleasantly surprised to see you beat me to it. This piece is nothing less than an interminable but polite screed from someone with an axe to grind and doesn't touch on any of the real problems at the heart of mainstream media. I'm not sure I've ever encountered a more egregious example of the professional self-flattery you hear all the time from journalists. James Bennet is utterly blind to his real function within these institutions. The piece is at least useful as an unwitting illustration of journalists' ideological belief in their own nobility and importance.
- disgruntledphd2 3y ago
  That doesn't mean he's wrong though.

purpleflame1257 3y ago

Back to the 20s and 30s at least, when they ran glowing coverage of the USSR's forced collectivization, ignoring the resulting mass famines and megadeaths. The NYT would be better served as a one page crossword sheet with wedding announcements on the back.

303uru 3y ago
Lol, the wedding announcements. A family friend who started what's essentially an SSO for education got a glowing wedding announcement and I found it so embarrassing. Who cares?
meowface 3y ago
They did apologize for that: https://www.nytco.com/company/prizes-awards/new-york-times-statement-about-1932-pulitzer-prize-awarded-to-walter-duranty/ https://www.nytco.com/company/prizes-awards/new-york-times-s... It's still completely inexcusable, but I think they understand how wrong it was.

Mountain_Skies 3y ago

Jayson Blair alone is highly noteworthy and came over a decade before the timeline presented.

eesmith 3y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_of_Our_Times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_of_Our_Times > Lies of Our Times (LOOT) was a political magazine published between January 1990 and December 1994. The magazine was published on a monthly basis.[1] Ellen Ray was both its co-founder and publisher.[2] It served not only as a general media critic, but as a watchdog of The New York Times, which the magazine referred to as "the most cited news medium in the United Slates, our paper of record."[3] Archived publications at https://archive.org/details/LiesOfOurTimesCollection/Aug1990-V1-N8/ https://archive.org/details/LiesOfOurTimesCollection/Aug1990... to give an idea of what it covered.

abvdasker 3y ago

I came here to note the Times' unacknowledged lies about the Bush admin and Iraq War and was pleasantly surprised to see you beat me to it. This piece is nothing less than an interminable but polite screed from someone with an axe to grind and doesn't touch on any of the real problems at the heart of mainstream media. I'm not sure I've ever encountered a more egregious example of the professional self-flattery you hear all the time from journalists. James Bennet is utterly blind to his real function within these institutions. The piece is at least useful as an unwitting illustration of journalists' ideological belief in their own nobility and importance.

disgruntledphd2 3y ago
That doesn't mean he's wrong though.