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As much as I don't want to see the Zuckerverse succeed, Meta has a "we're the lesser evil" position at the moment, at least their Not-CEO hasn't told advertiser

As much as I don't want to see the Zuckerverse succeed, Meta has a "we're the lesser evil" position at the moment, at least their Not-CEO hasn't told advertisers to go fuck themselves. If I worked for Meta, I would make getting companies and celebrities into Threads a priority.

hehhehaha 3y ago
wont someone think of the advertisers
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  I'm always thinking about the advertisers. I'm thinking how to keep blocking them.
throw310822 3y ago
> at least their Not-CEO hasn't told advertisers to go fuck themselves Since when we think of advertisers as a force for good? I always thought of them as the ones for whom the platforms are secretly working, while pretending they care for their users. I've been thinking about it in the last few days. Wasn't the idea that capitalists seek profit, and people and government care about the ethics and the politics and the law? Feels strange to be rooting for corporations to set the political standards for the public.
- zzzeek 3y ago
  Sir, this is a Hacker News
- cedilla 3y ago
  I think the discussion around Elon Musk and his outburst is a little bit more nuanced than choosing which side is the "force for good".
- addicted 3y ago
  No, that’s not the idea of capitalism. Sure that’s what you’ve been sold by bad actors, but that’s definitely not how capitalists have been defined for most of history until very recently by some bad actors. At a bare minimum, capitalism requires capitalists to be ethical because if they’re not their customers will rebel. But comments like yours which explicitly try and excuse bad behavior because we should expect bad behavior tries to undermine the most basic capitalist tool to eliminate bad behavior. Heck, even Elon Musk’s entire original justification for buying Twitter was explicitly supposed to not be about profit.
sheepscreek 3y ago
Ignoring how the app and platform are, I couldn’t stomach their data requirements. Like, why do you need to know about my health? You are a messaging app!
- rchaud 3y ago
  It works on the web at threads.net, no health info required.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    Last I checked, you could only sign up via Instagram. You can browse online only.
    - rsynnott 3y ago
      At least in Europe, you can sign in in a browser.
codersfocus 3y ago
Zuck is much worse than Musk. Musk told advertisers to go fuck themselves. Zuck told you you're a dumbfuck for giving him your data. (Look up the IM chat.)
- tentacleuno 3y ago
  > Zuck told you you're a dumbfuck for giving him your data. (Look up the IM chat.) I used to agree with you, but Zuck said that many, many years ago -- I'm not saying Zuck has changed, but it's not really accurate to brandish something he said in 2004 (as a 19 year old college student) as an accurate portrayal of him now.
  - bookaway 3y ago
    I'm somewhat amazed someone can write a comment like this in (almost) 2024 without a hint of sarcasm. Especially when they're taking someone to task about giving too much weight to what someone "said" twenty years ago. Sure, disregard what the founder said when he initially founded the company. Just, oh I don't know, give a little weight to all that the company -- not said mind you -- but actually did in the last twenty years with regards to the data in question. Recalling all the scandals within that period, you'll find that they nicely line up with that sentiment that was expressed by the founder twenty years ago. You can say he's no worse than Musk perhaps, but going around telling people to disregard what someone said some time ago when the quote actually corroborates all the action taken since then is a rather bad faith interpretation of the author's intent. And adding caveats like "I'm not saying Zuck has changed" just comes off as a weird cop-out. When someone is quoting that statement, they are explicitly arguing that he hasn't changed. So unless you're arguing that he has changed, the content of your comment is almost entirely vacuous.
    - tentacleuno 3y ago
      > And adding caveats like "I'm not saying Zuck has changed" just comes off as a weird cop-out. My main point is that you can't really judge someone by something they said 19 years ago, as a young & naive startup founder. I don't know about yourself, but I've definitely said things over a decade ago that I find quite embarrassing now. There are much more pressing points to highlight, some of which your comment discusses, but hand-picking decades-old quotes feels quite vacuous in itself.

hehhehaha 3y ago

wont someone think of the advertisers

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
I'm always thinking about the advertisers. I'm thinking how to keep blocking them.

throw310822 3y ago

> at least their Not-CEO hasn't told advertisers to go fuck themselves Since when we think of advertisers as a force for good? I always thought of them as the ones for whom the platforms are secretly working, while pretending they care for their users. I've been thinking about it in the last few days. Wasn't the idea that capitalists seek profit, and people and government care about the ethics and the politics and the law? Feels strange to be rooting for corporations to set the political standards for the public.

zzzeek 3y ago
Sir, this is a Hacker News
cedilla 3y ago
I think the discussion around Elon Musk and his outburst is a little bit more nuanced than choosing which side is the "force for good".
addicted 3y ago
No, that’s not the idea of capitalism. Sure that’s what you’ve been sold by bad actors, but that’s definitely not how capitalists have been defined for most of history until very recently by some bad actors. At a bare minimum, capitalism requires capitalists to be ethical because if they’re not their customers will rebel. But comments like yours which explicitly try and excuse bad behavior because we should expect bad behavior tries to undermine the most basic capitalist tool to eliminate bad behavior. Heck, even Elon Musk’s entire original justification for buying Twitter was explicitly supposed to not be about profit.

sheepscreek 3y ago

Ignoring how the app and platform are, I couldn’t stomach their data requirements. Like, why do you need to know about my health? You are a messaging app!

rchaud 3y ago
It works on the web at threads.net, no health info required.
- rglullis 3y ago
  Last I checked, you could only sign up via Instagram. You can browse online only.
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    At least in Europe, you can sign in in a browser.

codersfocus 3y ago

Zuck is much worse than Musk. Musk told advertisers to go fuck themselves. Zuck told you you're a dumbfuck for giving him your data. (Look up the IM chat.)

tentacleuno 3y ago
> Zuck told you you're a dumbfuck for giving him your data. (Look up the IM chat.) I used to agree with you, but Zuck said that many, many years ago -- I'm not saying Zuck has changed, but it's not really accurate to brandish something he said in 2004 (as a 19 year old college student) as an accurate portrayal of him now.
- bookaway 3y ago
  I'm somewhat amazed someone can write a comment like this in (almost) 2024 without a hint of sarcasm. Especially when they're taking someone to task about giving too much weight to what someone "said" twenty years ago. Sure, disregard what the founder said when he initially founded the company. Just, oh I don't know, give a little weight to all that the company -- not said mind you -- but actually did in the last twenty years with regards to the data in question. Recalling all the scandals within that period, you'll find that they nicely line up with that sentiment that was expressed by the founder twenty years ago. You can say he's no worse than Musk perhaps, but going around telling people to disregard what someone said some time ago when the quote actually corroborates all the action taken since then is a rather bad faith interpretation of the author's intent. And adding caveats like "I'm not saying Zuck has changed" just comes off as a weird cop-out. When someone is quoting that statement, they are explicitly arguing that he hasn't changed. So unless you're arguing that he has changed, the content of your comment is almost entirely vacuous.
  - tentacleuno 3y ago
    > And adding caveats like "I'm not saying Zuck has changed" just comes off as a weird cop-out. My main point is that you can't really judge someone by something they said 19 years ago, as a young & naive startup founder. I don't know about yourself, but I've definitely said things over a decade ago that I find quite embarrassing now. There are much more pressing points to highlight, some of which your comment discusses, but hand-picking decades-old quotes feels quite vacuous in itself.