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I kind of want tech to become invisible and just do things without my explicit order. So, AI progress would be exciting. But it feels like 95% is gimmicky. Whic

by f6v 3y ago

I kind of want tech to become invisible and just do things without my explicit order. So, AI progress would be exciting. But it feels like 95% is gimmicky. Which is fair, people trying to find a way to extract real value from tech advancements.

endgame 3y ago
Funny. I want less invisible tech doing strange things in subtle ways, and I want things to do what I tell them, on my orders, and do so rapidly. I'm sick of invisible updates, invisible data collection, etc.
- bluGill 3y ago
  I want tech to figure out what I want and do that invisibly. I don't want all the data collection. I also don't want to have to tell the clothes washer to do laundry, I want it to detect clothes on my floor and return them to the correct place clean. Note that this needs to be correct, it needs to understand the difference between clothes I'm going to wear again and cloths that I want washed. Similarly, the kitchen robot should figure out a healthy meal we will enjoy, get it on the table for our dinner and then clear the table when we are done eating: putting the leftovers away and clean up everything else. The above is what slaves could do 150 years ago. We have lost much - it is worth not having slaves in society, but if you would have had a slave (or servant) 150 years ago your life is worse in some ways for that progress and I want it back. I also want this affordable for everyone.
  - winternett 3y ago
    >The above is what slaves could do 150 years ago. We have lost much - it is worth not having slaves in society, but if you would have had a slave (or servant) 150 years ago your life is worse in some ways for that progress and I want it back. I also want this affordable for everyone. I'd recommend avoidance of references to "slavery" in this manner... It really just comes across wrong to likely anyone who knows what real slavery is like... Polarising language.
    - f6v 3y ago
      > It really just comes across wrong to likely anyone who knows what real slavery is like... Let’s be fair, nobody here likely knows what slavery is first-hand. And even if 0.01% knows, so what? It’s an important debate. We’re talking about building robots with human-level intelligence. It’s worth discussing whether they’re going to be slaves.
    - bluGill 3y ago
      "real slavery" covered a lot of different ground. The vast majority of slaves were hard labor - farm and mines being the largest use of slave labor. Only a small minority were "house servants" of the type I described, but that minority did exist.
tw04 3y ago
Have you ever had ANYTHING break with google? Have you ever tried to get it fixed? Imagine your car just stops going into drive "because AI" with absolutely no way to fix it yourself. That's my dystopia...
- f6v 3y ago
  I think that’s fair, but risks I’m willing to take. In perfect world, there’s some kind of human-AI symbiosis.

by f6v 3y ago

endgame 3y ago

Funny. I want less invisible tech doing strange things in subtle ways, and I want things to do what I tell them, on my orders, and do so rapidly. I'm sick of invisible updates, invisible data collection, etc.

bluGill 3y ago
I want tech to figure out what I want and do that invisibly. I don't want all the data collection. I also don't want to have to tell the clothes washer to do laundry, I want it to detect clothes on my floor and return them to the correct place clean. Note that this needs to be correct, it needs to understand the difference between clothes I'm going to wear again and cloths that I want washed. Similarly, the kitchen robot should figure out a healthy meal we will enjoy, get it on the table for our dinner and then clear the table when we are done eating: putting the leftovers away and clean up everything else. The above is what slaves could do 150 years ago. We have lost much - it is worth not having slaves in society, but if you would have had a slave (or servant) 150 years ago your life is worse in some ways for that progress and I want it back. I also want this affordable for everyone.
- winternett 3y ago
  >The above is what slaves could do 150 years ago. We have lost much - it is worth not having slaves in society, but if you would have had a slave (or servant) 150 years ago your life is worse in some ways for that progress and I want it back. I also want this affordable for everyone. I'd recommend avoidance of references to "slavery" in this manner... It really just comes across wrong to likely anyone who knows what real slavery is like... Polarising language.
  - f6v 3y ago
    > It really just comes across wrong to likely anyone who knows what real slavery is like... Let’s be fair, nobody here likely knows what slavery is first-hand. And even if 0.01% knows, so what? It’s an important debate. We’re talking about building robots with human-level intelligence. It’s worth discussing whether they’re going to be slaves.
  - bluGill 3y ago
    "real slavery" covered a lot of different ground. The vast majority of slaves were hard labor - farm and mines being the largest use of slave labor. Only a small minority were "house servants" of the type I described, but that minority did exist.

tw04 3y ago

Have you ever had ANYTHING break with google? Have you ever tried to get it fixed? Imagine your car just stops going into drive "because AI" with absolutely no way to fix it yourself. That's my dystopia...

f6v 3y ago
I think that’s fair, but risks I’m willing to take. In perfect world, there’s some kind of human-AI symbiosis.