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Never did Musk say "We'll have it done in six months".

r3d0c 3y ago
lol... but he has been saying "it'll be out next year" for many years but please, keep defending in bad faith
delecti 3y ago
This: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ (linked in the GGP to your comment) links to this tweet from Jan 23, 2017 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/823727035088416768 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/823727035088416768 When asked the question "At what point will "Full Self-Driving Capability" features noticeably depart from "Enhanced Autopilot" features?" Elon responded "3 months maybe, 6 months definitely" Also, lots of examples of "this year" stated in various Januarys, and multiple instances along the lines of "complete autonomy in 2 years" going back 8 years. I suspect his statements are carefully made to not technically meet the legal definition for fraud, but colloquially he's absolutely a liar.
- isk517 3y ago
  Those don't count because Elon had this fingers crossed when he made those tweets. /s
- DoesntMatter22 3y ago
  This question was not asking about when FSD was going to work but when Enhanced Autopilot would noticeably depart from FSD. No where in there did it say "FSD will be working completely in 6 months". They did in fact diverge, no where was that a statement that FSD would be complete by then. It's ironic you are calling him a liar when your response seems to either be completely dishonest itself or you are not aware of the subject at hand.
  - tedivm 3y ago
    In October of 2016- > By the end of next year, said Musk, Tesla would demonstrate a fully autonomous drive from, say, a home in L.A., to Times Square ... without the need for a single touch, including the charging. So you're technically right- he said three months, not six. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/driverless-tesla-will-travel-l-nyc-2017-says-musk-n670206 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/driverless-tesla-will...
    - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
      I don't see any direct quote of him saying what you are claiming. Please post that quote if you can find it
      - Fountain1320 3y ago
        Quote came from a conference call. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5SfDmL0sv3w https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5SfDmL0sv3w At ~6:20.
        DoesntMatter22 3y ago
        Thank you for posting this. More proof of what I said. He did not say that they would definitively do it, he said exactly at the timestamp that you gave: "Our goal is". So clearly didn't say that it would happen for certain
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        Announced goals still need to have a connection with reality or they're lies.
  - NotACop182 3y ago
    I never understood someone so determined to ignore all the evidence. Yet when confronted doubles/triples down with excuses.
    - flextheruler 3y ago
      It’s called the sunk cost fallacy anyone who owns a Tesla and Tesla stock has been extremely susceptible for years now
    - natch 3y ago
      Confronted with evidence that nowhere supports the claims. We really are in bizarro world here, rife with sloppy thinking and fuzzy smears. Certainly Elon shoots off his mouth and has underestimated timelines, but the specific claims being made about those mistakes go way beyond and into lala land.
    - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
      There is no proof. He never said it. People keep posting other quotes but none where he says what they claim. If you have proof of a direct quote where he says that FSD will be done withing 6 or 3 months for certain than please post it. Otherwise, attacking me is dishonest
  - deleted 3y ago
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- jcranmer 3y ago
  > I suspect his statements are carefully made to not technically meet the legal definition for fraud, but colloquially he's absolutely a liar. They're probably not carefully made, but fraud requires knowledge of falsity, and short of an internal report saying "this feature won't be ready before XYZ," it is going to be extremely difficult to prove Tesla knew the claims were false. The other thing you'll run into is reasonability of reliance--at this point, with so many deadlines repeatedly blown through, it would be hard to demonstrate that a reasonable person could rely on a representation that a promised deadline would be met.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    I would think it would be hard to find a reasonable person who takes anything Musk says seriously anymore and yet plenty seem to.
    - The_Colonel 3y ago
      If you're not following Musk every day, and maybe just know he's the Tesla/rocket guy, why wouldn't you take him seriously? Somehow, this sounds like shifting blame from the liar to others ...
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        I wasn't assigning or shifting blame for anything. I was just expressing that I am baffled by the reality.
    - medvezhenok 3y ago
      The reason people follow Musk is that even though he over-promises and under-delivers; the under-delivered product is still better than the alternatives (or at least was for a while). People are not complete fools and can learn to discount over-the-top rhetoric; sure, some people are harmed by believing everything verbatim, but those people also fall for scams, etc, etc. His statements are parsed as statements of intent more so than actual timeline commitments. We'll have FSD in 6 months = FSD is our main priority at the moment. And sure it also makes for PR/free advertising. Is it scammy? Probably. But he likely got more out of people by pushing this false narrative than would have been otherwise accomplished.
- Hamuko 3y ago
  >I suspect his statements are carefully made to not technically meet the legal definition for fraud 2017 was before the infamous "funding secured" tweet, so I imagine there was no care in crafting his statements.
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lol... but he has been saying "it'll be out next year" for many years but please, keep defending in bad faith

This: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ (linked in the GGP to your comment) links to this tweet from Jan 23, 2017 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/823727035088416768 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/823727035088416768 When asked the question "At what point will "Full Self-Driving Capability" features noticeably depart from "Enhanced Autopilot" features?" Elon responded "3 months maybe, 6 months definitely" Also, lots of examples of "this year" stated in various Januarys, and multiple instances along the lines of "complete autonomy in 2 years" going back 8 years. I suspect his statements are carefully made to not technically meet the legal definition for fraud, but colloquially he's absolutely a liar.

isk517 3y ago
Those don't count because Elon had this fingers crossed when he made those tweets. /s
DoesntMatter22 3y ago
This question was not asking about when FSD was going to work but when Enhanced Autopilot would noticeably depart from FSD. No where in there did it say "FSD will be working completely in 6 months". They did in fact diverge, no where was that a statement that FSD would be complete by then. It's ironic you are calling him a liar when your response seems to either be completely dishonest itself or you are not aware of the subject at hand.
- tedivm 3y ago
  In October of 2016- > By the end of next year, said Musk, Tesla would demonstrate a fully autonomous drive from, say, a home in L.A., to Times Square ... without the need for a single touch, including the charging. So you're technically right- he said three months, not six. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/driverless-tesla-will-travel-l-nyc-2017-says-musk-n670206 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/driverless-tesla-will...
  - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
    I don't see any direct quote of him saying what you are claiming. Please post that quote if you can find it
    - Fountain1320 3y ago
      Quote came from a conference call. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5SfDmL0sv3w https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5SfDmL0sv3w At ~6:20.
      - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
        Thank you for posting this. More proof of what I said. He did not say that they would definitively do it, he said exactly at the timestamp that you gave: "Our goal is". So clearly didn't say that it would happen for certain
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        Announced goals still need to have a connection with reality or they're lies.
- NotACop182 3y ago
  I never understood someone so determined to ignore all the evidence. Yet when confronted doubles/triples down with excuses.
  - flextheruler 3y ago
    It’s called the sunk cost fallacy anyone who owns a Tesla and Tesla stock has been extremely susceptible for years now
  - natch 3y ago
    Confronted with evidence that nowhere supports the claims. We really are in bizarro world here, rife with sloppy thinking and fuzzy smears. Certainly Elon shoots off his mouth and has underestimated timelines, but the specific claims being made about those mistakes go way beyond and into lala land.
  - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
    There is no proof. He never said it. People keep posting other quotes but none where he says what they claim. If you have proof of a direct quote where he says that FSD will be done withing 6 or 3 months for certain than please post it. Otherwise, attacking me is dishonest
- deleted 3y ago
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jcranmer 3y ago
> I suspect his statements are carefully made to not technically meet the legal definition for fraud, but colloquially he's absolutely a liar. They're probably not carefully made, but fraud requires knowledge of falsity, and short of an internal report saying "this feature won't be ready before XYZ," it is going to be extremely difficult to prove Tesla knew the claims were false. The other thing you'll run into is reasonability of reliance--at this point, with so many deadlines repeatedly blown through, it would be hard to demonstrate that a reasonable person could rely on a representation that a promised deadline would be met.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  I would think it would be hard to find a reasonable person who takes anything Musk says seriously anymore and yet plenty seem to.
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    If you're not following Musk every day, and maybe just know he's the Tesla/rocket guy, why wouldn't you take him seriously? Somehow, this sounds like shifting blame from the liar to others ...
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      I wasn't assigning or shifting blame for anything. I was just expressing that I am baffled by the reality.
  - medvezhenok 3y ago
    The reason people follow Musk is that even though he over-promises and under-delivers; the under-delivered product is still better than the alternatives (or at least was for a while). People are not complete fools and can learn to discount over-the-top rhetoric; sure, some people are harmed by believing everything verbatim, but those people also fall for scams, etc, etc. His statements are parsed as statements of intent more so than actual timeline commitments. We'll have FSD in 6 months = FSD is our main priority at the moment. And sure it also makes for PR/free advertising. Is it scammy? Probably. But he likely got more out of people by pushing this false narrative than would have been otherwise accomplished.
Hamuko 3y ago
>I suspect his statements are carefully made to not technically meet the legal definition for fraud 2017 was before the infamous "funding secured" tweet, so I imagine there was no care in crafting his statements.

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