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This feels like hearing all the talk about AI replacing developers and then actually building stuff with the best models available and seeing them fail to gener

This feels like hearing all the talk about AI replacing developers and then actually building stuff with the best models available and seeing them fail to generate JSON function calls according to a simple JSON schema and just make shit up about what the parameters should look like.

baz00 3y ago
I think the hype is driven by a combination of naivety, religious thinking and hope. Personally my cynical perspective is I work with people that it could viably replace now and that's sad, not because it's good tech but the people are so fucking awful.
kruxigt 3y ago
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oefrha 3y ago
Except I’ve never heard anyone talking about AI replacing developers and selling a “full self-development” package for thousands of dollars at the same time.
- simion314 3y ago
  >Except I’ve never heard anyone talking about AI replacing developers and selling a “full self-development” package for thousands of dollars at the same time. Some developers are complaining that we will be replaced, that somehow GPT4 can write good code. Similar artists, writers etc complain they will be replaced. I can't see an AI in the next 20 years that you ask it "Build me GTA6" and it will create it for you, code, art, text, voices. From my experience GPT is good for exploring, asking questions and getting sometimes inspiration from the answers, if the code you asked for what writen already by others and was trained on it then it will aproximate a good solution but it still does mistakes. Current AI it is just interpollating some response based on what he saw in training, if the real answer is not close enough to points in training then you get garbage. Add on top bad training data and it generates most of the time sub optimal code. For example it always generates JavaScript code using old syntax and using old DOM APIs. There is no logic with them, I asked an AI "is X legal in Javascript" and it answered No, it created an it created an answer that shows that was legal and working and rambled about why is not a good idea to use that. And I have many examples where the fcking long answers they give contradict themselves. Sorry for the long comment, I daily see this devs complaining about this, earlier I read comments where some web devs were sure in three years they will have no job.
  - darkerside 3y ago
    See, people think moving an AI capabilities from entry level dev to manager+ is about intelligence, but it's not. It's about many things but mostly personal responsibility. Outsource that to machines at your own risk.
  - oefrha 3y ago
    Yes, I’ve been hearing outlandish opinions daily way before AI was a thing of public interest. They only become very problematic and potentially fraudulent when a company charges money for it. Btw illustrators are getting replaced. Not all of them of course, but the demand is shrinking. Similarly for certain writing roles.
    - simion314 3y ago
      >Btw illustrators are getting replaced. Not all of them of course, but the demand is shrinking. Similarly for certain writing roles. Do we have any real data on this? Because it would make more sense that with the new tools you can be more productive as an artist and sell more. From the little I know about AI art is that at this moment it is still in need of a Photoshop user to do final touches, plus a few steps of in-painting and other AI manual steps. I assume some super low quality output is created but I don't know of anyone who pays directly or via patreon on just a lazy single prompt AI generation(without other more involved work).
      - oefrha 3y ago
        You can find some data through a casual search. [1] and similar articles cite a 70% drop in Chinese video game illustrator jobs in just one year, partly due to adoption of AI tools, as confirmed by both studios and illustrators. Speaking from personal experience, I know a guy whose firm has sharply reduced headcount in art/design and another guy whose firm used to hire illustrators but has since stopped because AI-generated illustrations (not central to their product) are considered good enough. > with the new tools you can be more productive as an artist and sell more I don't see a demand explosion outside of enthusiast circles (largely pr0n, to be honest). Sure you can make more, but you have no one to sell to, and unit price won't be the same when there's very cheap competition. Anyway, we’re getting pretty offtopic. [1] https://restofworld.org/2023/ai-image-china-video-game-layoffs/ https://restofworld.org/2023/ai-image-china-video-game-layof...
- f6v 3y ago
  Maybe someone should sell it, sounds like a good time to make quick buck.

baz00 3y ago

I think the hype is driven by a combination of naivety, religious thinking and hope. Personally my cynical perspective is I work with people that it could viably replace now and that's sad, not because it's good tech but the people are so fucking awful.

kruxigt 3y ago

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oefrha 3y ago

Except I’ve never heard anyone talking about AI replacing developers and selling a “full self-development” package for thousands of dollars at the same time.

simion314 3y ago
>Except I’ve never heard anyone talking about AI replacing developers and selling a “full self-development” package for thousands of dollars at the same time. Some developers are complaining that we will be replaced, that somehow GPT4 can write good code. Similar artists, writers etc complain they will be replaced. I can't see an AI in the next 20 years that you ask it "Build me GTA6" and it will create it for you, code, art, text, voices. From my experience GPT is good for exploring, asking questions and getting sometimes inspiration from the answers, if the code you asked for what writen already by others and was trained on it then it will aproximate a good solution but it still does mistakes. Current AI it is just interpollating some response based on what he saw in training, if the real answer is not close enough to points in training then you get garbage. Add on top bad training data and it generates most of the time sub optimal code. For example it always generates JavaScript code using old syntax and using old DOM APIs. There is no logic with them, I asked an AI "is X legal in Javascript" and it answered No, it created an it created an answer that shows that was legal and working and rambled about why is not a good idea to use that. And I have many examples where the fcking long answers they give contradict themselves. Sorry for the long comment, I daily see this devs complaining about this, earlier I read comments where some web devs were sure in three years they will have no job.
- darkerside 3y ago
  See, people think moving an AI capabilities from entry level dev to manager+ is about intelligence, but it's not. It's about many things but mostly personal responsibility. Outsource that to machines at your own risk.
- oefrha 3y ago
  Yes, I’ve been hearing outlandish opinions daily way before AI was a thing of public interest. They only become very problematic and potentially fraudulent when a company charges money for it. Btw illustrators are getting replaced. Not all of them of course, but the demand is shrinking. Similarly for certain writing roles.
  - simion314 3y ago
    >Btw illustrators are getting replaced. Not all of them of course, but the demand is shrinking. Similarly for certain writing roles. Do we have any real data on this? Because it would make more sense that with the new tools you can be more productive as an artist and sell more. From the little I know about AI art is that at this moment it is still in need of a Photoshop user to do final touches, plus a few steps of in-painting and other AI manual steps. I assume some super low quality output is created but I don't know of anyone who pays directly or via patreon on just a lazy single prompt AI generation(without other more involved work).
    - oefrha 3y ago
      You can find some data through a casual search. [1] and similar articles cite a 70% drop in Chinese video game illustrator jobs in just one year, partly due to adoption of AI tools, as confirmed by both studios and illustrators. Speaking from personal experience, I know a guy whose firm has sharply reduced headcount in art/design and another guy whose firm used to hire illustrators but has since stopped because AI-generated illustrations (not central to their product) are considered good enough. > with the new tools you can be more productive as an artist and sell more I don't see a demand explosion outside of enthusiast circles (largely pr0n, to be honest). Sure you can make more, but you have no one to sell to, and unit price won't be the same when there's very cheap competition. Anyway, we’re getting pretty offtopic. [1] https://restofworld.org/2023/ai-image-china-video-game-layoffs/ https://restofworld.org/2023/ai-image-china-video-game-layof...
f6v 3y ago
Maybe someone should sell it, sounds like a good time to make quick buck.