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Arc browser launches its Windows client in beta

35 points by goplayoutside 3y ago

ppetty 3y ago
This is great, although I wish the new mobile app they’ve alluded to was a higher priority (but I realize that’s being greedy). Arc isn’t for everybody but if it “clicks” which requires getting over a somewhat steep learning curve it is great. It’s also fair to question why it requires an account, but anything syncing across devices would (unless you handle that manually with version control or something else). Arc is exactly what Chrome might be if it wasn’t beholden to an advertising-first company. The innovation within the Chrome app itself has languished & browser extension development and policy are prohibiting more & more significant user experience changes (not just blockers). Arc not only diverges from Chrome with a ton of nice user experience changes, it also adds new types of functionality like ad hoc browser extensions called Boosts that can be shared (very similar to UserScripts). So many posts that say this browser-based on Chromium is problematic because it constrains diversity in the browser market, but I wish more people would just try it out. It is a step in the direction. Maybe someday they will swap out all of what remains from Chromium, but to what end? Maybe the best thing about Chrome (and Chromium) is that it enables smaller companies to jump-start new concepts in browsing.
pt_PT_guy 3y ago
another chromium closed source proprietary browser? no, thank you.
- jillesvangurp 3y ago
  Anything chromium based is just moving the problem of Chromium being overly dependent on Google sponsoring its development, setting its roadmap, and effectively taking important decisions as to what it can and cannot do. Long term, it would be nice to see Chromium becoming more independent from Google. It might take a fork and a consortium of companies taking over development instead of outsourcing that to Google. But the reality today is that most development on Chromium is done pretty much exclusively by Google with trivial amounts of external contributions. That's why I use Firefox. I'm not necessarily happy with how that is overly dependent on Google but at least they are semi independent. The main issue is that there are plenty of companies that like the idea of providing a browser that don't seem to be interested in funding the development of one. Other than Google which at this point is bank rolling Chromium, Firefox, and Safari. This is weird and not long term sustainable.
tmikaeld 3y ago
I like that they're doing something new and that their rendering engine is interchangeable. But I won't be using a closed-source browser again, thanks to Chrome.
- danpalmer 3y ago
  > I like that they're doing something new and that their rendering engine is interchangeable. The UI rendering engine, not the web content rendering which is all Chromium.
  - tmikaeld 3y ago
    > Excitingly, we built Arc in a way that makes it easy to swap rendering engines in the future. > This means we may offer a WebKit version one day, or even build a rendering engine of our own. Time will tell!" [0] [0] https://arc.net/faq https://arc.net/faq
    - danpalmer 3y ago
      Ok fair enough. I've never heard them boast about this as an advantage in their other material (release notes, YouTube videos). I don't think this is really an advantage until they do actually have a different engine that you can swap out. Right now it feels very tied to Chromium. They have however done some cool things with running Swift on Windows and rendering the UI via Windows APIs.
jtthe13 3y ago
I love Arc on my mac. I know it's not for everyone, but it does so many things right (for me) that going back to another browser is a major impediment to my workflows.
- akmarinov 3y ago
  Sell me - why should I switch?
  - danpalmer 3y ago
    For me it's the first browser that has made proper tab management stick. I have way too many tabs, in the middle of the day I often have 40+ per window. The combination of pinned tabs, tab renaming, folders, auto-expiry, sync, and spaces, just works well. They have in my opinion perfectly developed the spectrum from ephemeral pages you need once to pinned pages you always have open, with many levels of granularity along that spectrum. The rest of the browser, not for me. They have a whiteboarding feature, not sure why a browser needs that. They have AI now because of course they do. I enjoy using it at home. The day they decide to charge $20 a month because of the AI features is the day I switch back to Chrome.
    - BillinghamJ 3y ago
      The AI bits seem to be the one feature that is completely useless. I've tried all of the functions and eventually ended up with all of them disabled
    - vimsee 3y ago
      > I have way too many tabs, in the middle of the day I often have 40+ per window. You can definitely use a browser that accommodates for this. If I may ask, could another option be to try and find the root cause of why you have 40 tabs open? Maybe the vanilla browsers out there can be sufficient for you if you solved the problem of having to many tabs open; keeping tabs to a minimum?
      - 3y ago
Alifatisk 3y ago
I wish it wasn’t a chrome wrapper, I’m trying to avoid the monopoly.
- bayindirh 3y ago
  Use Firefox, no?
  - Alifatisk 3y ago
    I already use FF
tibbydudeza 3y ago
Afaik they using Swift on Windows for the UI (rendering is V8) ???.
- MrAlex94 3y ago
  Web rendering would be Blink, with V8 being the JavaScript engine. I believe they have their own UI rendering process. I know of another company that does something similar for the UI process, but with WebKit instead as the base: https://github.com/ultralight-ux/ultralight#rocket-dual-high-performance-renderers https://github.com/ultralight-ux/ultralight#rocket-dual-high...
- dr_strangelove 3y ago
  The architecture is described here: https://youtu.be/Xa_fNuaSE_I?t=416 https://youtu.be/Xa_fNuaSE_I?t=416
vimsee 3y ago
https://thebrowser.company/ https://thebrowser.company/ > - We love the internet, but it can be overwhelming - What if a browser could help us make sense of it all My response to this. Everyone uses the internet and thus by making such statements, this company can engage a lot of people. I think this is an example of a problem that is far less "problematic" than what this company is trying to claim At least, I was hoping for something more "revolutionary". I have seen tabs on the left side, colours representing the workspace you find yourself in, themes and similar ways of organizing all the different websites you visit. In the end of the day, here is my take (I would love to be proven wrong, though). This is another attempt at trying to organize all the tabs you have open. It is and not a solution to the problem they describe. TL;DR Another fancy browser to consider.
- chuckhendo 3y ago
  It's a typical overblown marketing statement, agreed. But I have to say, I've been exclusively using Arc since it released and I'm a huge fan. Vertical tabs for sure aren't revolutionary - but the way they treat tabs that are kind of a mix of a bookmark & pinned tab really clicks with the way my brain wants to use a browser. It really has fundamentally changed how I work on the Internet for the better
AndrewThrowaway 3y ago
Out of topic - Why people even have all those tabs open? I may have one or two pinned and that's it? Why are you even in "need of organizing tabs"?
- infinityplus1 3y ago
  See my comment above: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38625808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38625808 Though I must say I never organize tabs except pinning them.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >Why people even have all those tabs open? IDK, maybe I might have ADHD or something, because I open every interesting link in a tab thinking I'll get back to it soon to finish reading or trying it out, but then never do because in the meantime I discover another more interesting tab, so they keep piling up.
  - elektor 3y ago
    I suffer from the same problem and my new solution has been to install a Firefox extension that, when I have more than 5 tabs open, closes any tabs that’s been idle longer than 5 minutes. I found that with this approach I still get the dopamine hit without getting stuck sifting through 30 articles.
- FullstakBlogger 3y ago
  For the same reason you need a stack or a queue for depth/breadth first search. Open tabs represent yet to be completed work. It took work in the first place to open those tabs. If you close them you lose that work.
MrAlex94 3y ago
* Closed source * Requires an account to use An absolute shame in this day and age. But I have a feeling it's a requirement considering they raised $20M before even having a product ready. Which leads to another point - what are they going to do to make sure they make a return for their investors?
- ymolodtsov 3y ago
  You know most of consumer apps everybody uses are closed-source, right? What they'll likely do is start charging for their AI-powered subscription and make a business plan for teams while building some features for their collaboration.
  - capableweb 3y ago
    > You know most of consumer apps everybody uses are closed-source, right? You know that web browsers is not your typical "consumer app" right? And none of the current popular browser engines are closed-source.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      You won't go far with Chromium or WebKit on their own, and Firefox remains to be seen if it is still around in a decade.
      - capableweb 3y ago
        Great argument, how people may or may not use a browser in the future :) What if instead we look at current reality, which is what I outlined in my previous comment?
        pjmlp 3y ago
        The current reality is that Google has taken over the Web for all practical purposes, with Safari as last bastion. Which will end the day Apple is forced to allow Chrome on iOS.
jmarchello 3y ago
I’ve been using Arc for a couple days now and love it. It’s been a while since I’ve adopted a tool (besides developer tools) that I felt truly increased my productivity and enjoyment in my day-to-day activities.
- hiccuphippo 3y ago
  How does their browser increase your productivity? Honest question.
  - jmarchello 3y ago
    A fair question. For Me I use use of their spaces feature to divide my tabs/bookmarks into different areas of concern. So when I'm working on my day job, I can have a running "session" of bookmarks, such as the webapp I'm building, figma, and chatGPT open. It just _feels_ less cluttered and less distracting. Their 'developer mode' adds a nice little tool bar accross localhost and other sites for which you enable it. It's just the compound effect of many small improvements. This the first real innovation I've seen the chrome of a browser in a long time.
danpalmer 3y ago
https://arc.net/security#browser-engine https://arc.net/security#browser-engine > List of Disabled Chromium Features > Google account sync, metrics reporting, telemetry/crash reporting. ... > Logging & analytics > Sentry for telemetry/crash reporting. > Segment for telemetry > FAQ > Why does Arc require an account to use I find Arc's marketing around the lack of Google features a little disingenuous. They claim to not log any PII data, which is admirable, but they don't mention IP addresses as PII data and most likely do have that incidentally, or might need it for abuse prevention, and they haven't had third party security audits.
Jack5500 3y ago
According their site https://www.isarconwindowsyet.com/ https://www.isarconwindowsyet.com/ they currently onboarded 7 users at this point. Hardly worth the news, I think.
- moneywoes 3y ago
  strange might be a bug?
TheFuzzball 3y ago
I quite enjoy Arc on macOS. The UI "just clicks" for me: - named persistent spaces for groups of tabs, some can be pinned, some can be ephemeral - spaces can have different profiles, so switching to personal stuff in a work context is no different than switching to any other space - side-by-side tabs within spaces give an iPad-like split screen experience in the browser. I know the OS is meant to do this, but honestly window management in macOS is totally fucked and achieving the same thing is really hard. Overall it's made navigating the web more effortless, and I hope other browsers copy. Safari tried with Tab Groups, but it's a pale imitation and when I go back it's vertical tabs that I miss most.
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  What do you think about Orion Browser for Apple stuffs?
  - moneywoes 3y ago
    curious about this. apparently is supports extensions on ios?
    - Obscurity4340 3y ago
      (Orion) Seems to support uBlock Origin plugin. Thatms all I really need+want
  - TheFuzzball 3y ago
    I gave it a serious go, and I use Kagi search (Orion is made by Kagi). I'll be honest - I didn't like it. It felt more like Safari than Arc, but fell short of both. I had a particular problem with 1Password, but also the UI just felt clunky. I haven't tried it for several months though, it might be better now. There's also the paid SigmaOS browser, which is is the same vein, and I didn't like that either - it makes different decisions than Arc, IIRC the vertical tab is persistent, kinda like slide over multitasking on iPadOS. I have an ultrawide display and sometimes I'd like to just add a bunch of vertical tabs (e.g. if I'm browsing house listings and want them side-by-side). It'd be cool if I could get a vertically scrolling view of individual tabs, but the UX on that would be difficult to get right. Oh, another thing Arc is good at is trackpad support - I can just two-finger scrolling between spaces and it's a really nice experience. I will probably move away from Arc eventually, since it's VC funded and pretty much doomed, but I guess if they have a paid model like Kagi I might be tempted. I also hate fragmentation between devices. Pretty much all my devices are Apple - MBP, multiple iPads, iPhone, etc. The value proposition of native tab syncing is very high, and whilst Arc has a companion app I don't like that experience.
ergonaught 3y ago
I tried signing up for it earlier this year, but they sent an email with a tracking link to download software I'm supposed to just install blindly. Doing things that way in 2023 struck me as so horrifically out of touch that I just passed on bothering with it. Clearly a distinctly minority attitude, but I guess that's life.
- capableweb 3y ago
  > Doing things that way in 2023 struck me as so horrifically out of touch > Clearly a distinctly minority attitude So... Not at all out of touch then, as most people seem to be fine with it?
  - ergonaught 3y ago
    I certainly did not mean “out of touch with what people will do”. People click on links they shouldn’t all the time. People accept user-hostile decisions and software all the time. Etc.
- jimmySixDOF 3y ago
  Now the signups ask for your RAM & CPU specs so I am guessing they will be heavy on both but as long as they make a better experience I will be happy.
rokob 3y ago
Congrats to the team on the launch.
workfromspace 3y ago
https://archive.is/eR14Q https://archive.is/eR14Q
karmakaze 3y ago
The way it's written up made it seem like it was a cloud based browser with a separate client app on the user's OS. The first time I read about this, I didn't get the point. It seems to mostly be about aesthetics and maybe some noise suppression. I still don't see why I should run this over Firefox.

35 points by goplayoutside 3y ago

This is great, although I wish the new mobile app they’ve alluded to was a higher priority (but I realize that’s being greedy). Arc isn’t for everybody but if it “clicks” which requires getting over a somewhat steep learning curve it is great. It’s also fair to question why it requires an account, but anything syncing across devices would (unless you handle that manually with version control or something else). Arc is exactly what Chrome might be if it wasn’t beholden to an advertising-first company. The innovation within the Chrome app itself has languished & browser extension development and policy are prohibiting more & more significant user experience changes (not just blockers). Arc not only diverges from Chrome with a ton of nice user experience changes, it also adds new types of functionality like ad hoc browser extensions called Boosts that can be shared (very similar to UserScripts). So many posts that say this browser-based on Chromium is problematic because it constrains diversity in the browser market, but I wish more people would just try it out. It is a step in the direction. Maybe someday they will swap out all of what remains from Chromium, but to what end? Maybe the best thing about Chrome (and Chromium) is that it enables smaller companies to jump-start new concepts in browsing.

pt_PT_guy 3y ago

another chromium closed source proprietary browser? no, thank you.

jillesvangurp 3y ago
Anything chromium based is just moving the problem of Chromium being overly dependent on Google sponsoring its development, setting its roadmap, and effectively taking important decisions as to what it can and cannot do. Long term, it would be nice to see Chromium becoming more independent from Google. It might take a fork and a consortium of companies taking over development instead of outsourcing that to Google. But the reality today is that most development on Chromium is done pretty much exclusively by Google with trivial amounts of external contributions. That's why I use Firefox. I'm not necessarily happy with how that is overly dependent on Google but at least they are semi independent. The main issue is that there are plenty of companies that like the idea of providing a browser that don't seem to be interested in funding the development of one. Other than Google which at this point is bank rolling Chromium, Firefox, and Safari. This is weird and not long term sustainable.

tmikaeld 3y ago

I like that they're doing something new and that their rendering engine is interchangeable. But I won't be using a closed-source browser again, thanks to Chrome.

danpalmer 3y ago
> I like that they're doing something new and that their rendering engine is interchangeable. The UI rendering engine, not the web content rendering which is all Chromium.
- tmikaeld 3y ago
  > Excitingly, we built Arc in a way that makes it easy to swap rendering engines in the future. > This means we may offer a WebKit version one day, or even build a rendering engine of our own. Time will tell!" [0] [0] https://arc.net/faq https://arc.net/faq
  - danpalmer 3y ago
    Ok fair enough. I've never heard them boast about this as an advantage in their other material (release notes, YouTube videos). I don't think this is really an advantage until they do actually have a different engine that you can swap out. Right now it feels very tied to Chromium. They have however done some cool things with running Swift on Windows and rendering the UI via Windows APIs.

jtthe13 3y ago

I love Arc on my mac. I know it's not for everyone, but it does so many things right (for me) that going back to another browser is a major impediment to my workflows.

akmarinov 3y ago
Sell me - why should I switch?
- danpalmer 3y ago
  For me it's the first browser that has made proper tab management stick. I have way too many tabs, in the middle of the day I often have 40+ per window. The combination of pinned tabs, tab renaming, folders, auto-expiry, sync, and spaces, just works well. They have in my opinion perfectly developed the spectrum from ephemeral pages you need once to pinned pages you always have open, with many levels of granularity along that spectrum. The rest of the browser, not for me. They have a whiteboarding feature, not sure why a browser needs that. They have AI now because of course they do. I enjoy using it at home. The day they decide to charge $20 a month because of the AI features is the day I switch back to Chrome.
  - BillinghamJ 3y ago
    The AI bits seem to be the one feature that is completely useless. I've tried all of the functions and eventually ended up with all of them disabled
  - vimsee 3y ago
    > I have way too many tabs, in the middle of the day I often have 40+ per window. You can definitely use a browser that accommodates for this. If I may ask, could another option be to try and find the root cause of why you have 40 tabs open? Maybe the vanilla browsers out there can be sufficient for you if you solved the problem of having to many tabs open; keeping tabs to a minimum?
    - 3y ago

Alifatisk 3y ago

I wish it wasn’t a chrome wrapper, I’m trying to avoid the monopoly.

bayindirh 3y ago
Use Firefox, no?
- Alifatisk 3y ago
  I already use FF

tibbydudeza 3y ago

Afaik they using Swift on Windows for the UI (rendering is V8) ???.

MrAlex94 3y ago
Web rendering would be Blink, with V8 being the JavaScript engine. I believe they have their own UI rendering process. I know of another company that does something similar for the UI process, but with WebKit instead as the base: https://github.com/ultralight-ux/ultralight#rocket-dual-high-performance-renderers https://github.com/ultralight-ux/ultralight#rocket-dual-high...
dr_strangelove 3y ago
The architecture is described here: https://youtu.be/Xa_fNuaSE_I?t=416 https://youtu.be/Xa_fNuaSE_I?t=416

vimsee 3y ago

https://thebrowser.company/ https://thebrowser.company/ > - We love the internet, but it can be overwhelming - What if a browser could help us make sense of it all My response to this. Everyone uses the internet and thus by making such statements, this company can engage a lot of people. I think this is an example of a problem that is far less "problematic" than what this company is trying to claim At least, I was hoping for something more "revolutionary". I have seen tabs on the left side, colours representing the workspace you find yourself in, themes and similar ways of organizing all the different websites you visit. In the end of the day, here is my take (I would love to be proven wrong, though). This is another attempt at trying to organize all the tabs you have open. It is and not a solution to the problem they describe. TL;DR Another fancy browser to consider.

chuckhendo 3y ago
It's a typical overblown marketing statement, agreed. But I have to say, I've been exclusively using Arc since it released and I'm a huge fan. Vertical tabs for sure aren't revolutionary - but the way they treat tabs that are kind of a mix of a bookmark & pinned tab really clicks with the way my brain wants to use a browser. It really has fundamentally changed how I work on the Internet for the better

AndrewThrowaway 3y ago

Out of topic - Why people even have all those tabs open? I may have one or two pinned and that's it? Why are you even in "need of organizing tabs"?

infinityplus1 3y ago
See my comment above: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38625808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38625808 Though I must say I never organize tabs except pinning them.
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>Why people even have all those tabs open? IDK, maybe I might have ADHD or something, because I open every interesting link in a tab thinking I'll get back to it soon to finish reading or trying it out, but then never do because in the meantime I discover another more interesting tab, so they keep piling up.
- elektor 3y ago
  I suffer from the same problem and my new solution has been to install a Firefox extension that, when I have more than 5 tabs open, closes any tabs that’s been idle longer than 5 minutes. I found that with this approach I still get the dopamine hit without getting stuck sifting through 30 articles.
FullstakBlogger 3y ago
For the same reason you need a stack or a queue for depth/breadth first search. Open tabs represent yet to be completed work. It took work in the first place to open those tabs. If you close them you lose that work.

MrAlex94 3y ago

* Closed source * Requires an account to use An absolute shame in this day and age. But I have a feeling it's a requirement considering they raised $20M before even having a product ready. Which leads to another point - what are they going to do to make sure they make a return for their investors?

ymolodtsov 3y ago
You know most of consumer apps everybody uses are closed-source, right? What they'll likely do is start charging for their AI-powered subscription and make a business plan for teams while building some features for their collaboration.
- capableweb 3y ago
  > You know most of consumer apps everybody uses are closed-source, right? You know that web browsers is not your typical "consumer app" right? And none of the current popular browser engines are closed-source.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    You won't go far with Chromium or WebKit on their own, and Firefox remains to be seen if it is still around in a decade.
    - capableweb 3y ago
      Great argument, how people may or may not use a browser in the future :) What if instead we look at current reality, which is what I outlined in my previous comment?
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        The current reality is that Google has taken over the Web for all practical purposes, with Safari as last bastion. Which will end the day Apple is forced to allow Chrome on iOS.

jmarchello 3y ago

I’ve been using Arc for a couple days now and love it. It’s been a while since I’ve adopted a tool (besides developer tools) that I felt truly increased my productivity and enjoyment in my day-to-day activities.

hiccuphippo 3y ago
How does their browser increase your productivity? Honest question.
- jmarchello 3y ago
  A fair question. For Me I use use of their spaces feature to divide my tabs/bookmarks into different areas of concern. So when I'm working on my day job, I can have a running "session" of bookmarks, such as the webapp I'm building, figma, and chatGPT open. It just _feels_ less cluttered and less distracting. Their 'developer mode' adds a nice little tool bar accross localhost and other sites for which you enable it. It's just the compound effect of many small improvements. This the first real innovation I've seen the chrome of a browser in a long time.

danpalmer 3y ago

https://arc.net/security#browser-engine https://arc.net/security#browser-engine > List of Disabled Chromium Features > Google account sync, metrics reporting, telemetry/crash reporting. ... > Logging & analytics > Sentry for telemetry/crash reporting. > Segment for telemetry > FAQ > Why does Arc require an account to use I find Arc's marketing around the lack of Google features a little disingenuous. They claim to not log any PII data, which is admirable, but they don't mention IP addresses as PII data and most likely do have that incidentally, or might need it for abuse prevention, and they haven't had third party security audits.

Jack5500 3y ago

According their site https://www.isarconwindowsyet.com/ https://www.isarconwindowsyet.com/ they currently onboarded 7 users at this point. Hardly worth the news, I think.

moneywoes 3y ago
strange might be a bug?

TheFuzzball 3y ago

I quite enjoy Arc on macOS. The UI "just clicks" for me: - named persistent spaces for groups of tabs, some can be pinned, some can be ephemeral - spaces can have different profiles, so switching to personal stuff in a work context is no different than switching to any other space - side-by-side tabs within spaces give an iPad-like split screen experience in the browser. I know the OS is meant to do this, but honestly window management in macOS is totally fucked and achieving the same thing is really hard. Overall it's made navigating the web more effortless, and I hope other browsers copy. Safari tried with Tab Groups, but it's a pale imitation and when I go back it's vertical tabs that I miss most.

Obscurity4340 3y ago
What do you think about Orion Browser for Apple stuffs?
- moneywoes 3y ago
  curious about this. apparently is supports extensions on ios?
  - Obscurity4340 3y ago
    (Orion) Seems to support uBlock Origin plugin. Thatms all I really need+want
- TheFuzzball 3y ago
  I gave it a serious go, and I use Kagi search (Orion is made by Kagi). I'll be honest - I didn't like it. It felt more like Safari than Arc, but fell short of both. I had a particular problem with 1Password, but also the UI just felt clunky. I haven't tried it for several months though, it might be better now. There's also the paid SigmaOS browser, which is is the same vein, and I didn't like that either - it makes different decisions than Arc, IIRC the vertical tab is persistent, kinda like slide over multitasking on iPadOS. I have an ultrawide display and sometimes I'd like to just add a bunch of vertical tabs (e.g. if I'm browsing house listings and want them side-by-side). It'd be cool if I could get a vertically scrolling view of individual tabs, but the UX on that would be difficult to get right. Oh, another thing Arc is good at is trackpad support - I can just two-finger scrolling between spaces and it's a really nice experience. I will probably move away from Arc eventually, since it's VC funded and pretty much doomed, but I guess if they have a paid model like Kagi I might be tempted. I also hate fragmentation between devices. Pretty much all my devices are Apple - MBP, multiple iPads, iPhone, etc. The value proposition of native tab syncing is very high, and whilst Arc has a companion app I don't like that experience.

ergonaught 3y ago

I tried signing up for it earlier this year, but they sent an email with a tracking link to download software I'm supposed to just install blindly. Doing things that way in 2023 struck me as so horrifically out of touch that I just passed on bothering with it. Clearly a distinctly minority attitude, but I guess that's life.

capableweb 3y ago
> Doing things that way in 2023 struck me as so horrifically out of touch > Clearly a distinctly minority attitude So... Not at all out of touch then, as most people seem to be fine with it?
- ergonaught 3y ago
  I certainly did not mean “out of touch with what people will do”. People click on links they shouldn’t all the time. People accept user-hostile decisions and software all the time. Etc.
jimmySixDOF 3y ago
Now the signups ask for your RAM & CPU specs so I am guessing they will be heavy on both but as long as they make a better experience I will be happy.

rokob 3y ago

Congrats to the team on the launch.

workfromspace 3y ago

https://archive.is/eR14Q https://archive.is/eR14Q

karmakaze 3y ago

The way it's written up made it seem like it was a cloud based browser with a separate client app on the user's OS. The first time I read about this, I didn't get the point. It seems to mostly be about aesthetics and maybe some noise suppression. I still don't see why I should run this over Firefox.