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> Call it what it is.. they like the control of their in car entertainment systems and they don't want external companies taking that part of the pie. they did

by kmlx 3y ago

> Call it what it is.. they like the control of their in car entertainment systems and they don't want external companies taking that part of the pie. they did call it as it is. it's in the article: > In addition to potentially buying things from GM or GM’s partners through their car’s infotainment system, GM is also looking at subscription services that would be managed through the same interface. GM’s chief digital officer, Edward Kummer, told Reuters as much when the decision to drop CarPlay and Android Auto was announced. Automakers see subscriptions as huge new source of income to be tapped, with GM alone hoping to make as much as $25 billion per year just off subscriptions by 2030.

bluefirebrand 3y ago
I am dreading the future of cars, where they somehow are worse than a car I could buy right now but also I have to pay a monthly subscription for the worse experience. The enshittification of everything is making me want to go berserk.
- pmg102 3y ago
  There's no obligation to buy a new one. Keep your existing cars on the road or replace them with other low mileage used ones. I bet repair costs on used are less than depreciatiom + finance costs on new, and there's pleasure to be gained from a retro aesthetic.
  - bluefirebrand 3y ago
    Sure, I plan to drive my current car until the wheels fall off, but that's not the point. I'm young enough that I will very likely need to buy a new-to-me car eventually, and there's a good chance that by then a lot of the used cars out there will be the enshitted versions. I'm not looking forward to it.
  - pmontra 3y ago
    Time passes and sooner or later the oldest available used car will be from 2024. Add the effect of legislation which could deny access to some areas important for you unless you have a car compliant to regulations made in 2030.
  - wavemode 3y ago
    This is what everyone said to me when phones started losing their headphone jacks (purely so that phone makers could sell overpriced wireless earbuds). But eventually old phones stop working on the new network and you realize every major new phone has followed suit in the cash grab. sigh
    - contact9879 3y ago
      A USB-C to headphone adapter is $5.
      - gambiting 3y ago
        And occupies your USB-C port, which you might want to use at the same time for charging while listening to music(I do while I'm in bed, I'm sure I'm not the only person who does this). My biggest issue with it is that it's been sold to us on a lie - the whole nonsense about "reclaiming the space" - it's BS. There is space for it in nearly every phone on the market.
        rob74 3y ago
        A USB-C to headphone and USB-C adapter (https://www.amazon.com/Headphone-Charger-Adapter-Charging-Compatible/dp/B09GYRH6YM/?th=1 https://www.amazon.com/Headphone-Charger-Adapter-Charging-Co... - ok, maybe search a little longer for one that hasn't got the "brand" Subynanal printed on it ;) ) isn't much more expensive either...
        borispavlovic 3y ago
        There are cheap bluetooth dongles with female audio port that a pair of headphones could be plugged turning them into bluetooth headphones. Calls will most probably not work, though.
        gambiting 3y ago
        And it gives you yet another device to charge, reduces your sound quality and introduces audio delay. None of which is a problem with wired headphones. I'm feeling like a dinosaur pointing out that I still have headphones which just work and there is literally nothing wrong with them. I own two pairs of bluetooth headphones too, and they are great - but let's not kid ourselves, there are drawbacks to it too.
  - Mountain_Skies 3y ago
    ICE vehicles can be legislatively removed from the roads or so burdened with fees and regulations that they cease to be viable for anyone other than a collector. They can't do it today because the percentage of ICE vehicles is too high but as EV market share grows, green laws can get far more aggressive. Just look at what happened during the pandemic in the name of safety. Now look at you ICE vehicle's tailpipe. That's the new method of control over you and your vehicle and the precedent has already been set that's it's an ok thing for them to do as long as they can drum up the level of hysteria, which they're now quite experienced at doing.
  - tempestn 3y ago
    What's particularly frustrating, and I think relevant here, is when new things are better in some respects, but glaringly worse in others. So you can only have the good parts of the new thing if you accept the shit along with it.
  - Broken_Hippo 3y ago
    I bet repair costs on used are less than depreciatiom ... There are more considerations than simply cost of repair. Used cars break more than new cars. You are more likely to need some sort of backup plan if you have a used car. I'd be fine here in Norway: My 25 year old car is only used a few times a month. Otherwise, my partner and I walk and/or use public transportation. But I'm lucky enough to live in an area with a fairly robust public transport and pedestrian path system. I couldn't be this secure when I lived in Indiana. Most places had little public transport, and fewer had affordable public transport (taxis only, though they likely have uber now). These options only worked if you stayed in town - but if you were like a lot of Midwestern folks, you have to drive to work and working in the next town over wasn't uncommon. Which means: Something happens to your car, you might wind up unemployed or minimally, it pushes you ever closer to being unemployed. Hope your kid doesn't get sick and you have to miss even more work. I'll also add that "another low mileage car" will still be expensive and you won't generally save yourself a car payment. I was lucky to find mine and if it weren't for a friend finding it, I wouldn't have it at all.
    - lallysingh 3y ago
      25yrs old is a bit extreme for anecdotal data on used cars. My 10yr old truck has been pretty reliable.
      - tristan957 3y ago
        My 18 year old truck is great.
        Broken_Hippo 3y ago
        And mine is fine. But again, it is luck. Some cars seriously went downhill before they were 10 years old.
      - Broken_Hippo 3y ago
        My car is reliable. I got lucky. I've replaced the brakes. And I was illustrating that I only need minimal reliability since it isn't my main form of transporation. I have public transport and live in a walkable place. I can (and do) dress for weather. The rest of the comments aren't specific to 25 year old cars. I've had an array of used cars in an array of ages. Anything over 4-5 years starts to break due to wear and tear. Alternators and starters go out. Brakes have wear and tear. Things happen. You still likely have a car payment - and you are more likely to if you are poor. Being poor brings the bonus of opting for a car that's been driven more instead of less simply because of the price difference. 'Pretty reliable' isn't the same as the reliability of a newer car.
  - outime 3y ago
    >There's no obligation to buy a new one Maybe at your location. For example in Spain, many people will just not be able to drive in many places in 2024 if they don't qualify to have a good-enough "environmental distinctive" which is a label you put in your car that shows how much your car pollutes. No label or too bad of a label? You can't drive in many places. Note: In reality it's bs as many other regulations since e.g. any ECO-labelled car (2nd best distinctive) can be a 600 CV Ferrari with a tiny electric engine.
eviks 3y ago
They didn't call it as it is, that's just the obvious conclusion the author of the article makes based on another source, they make up unverified safety allegations > though Babbitt admits that GM hasn’t exactly tested this in a controlled setting to see whether or not it’s true.
- kmlx 3y ago
  you misread the article. they did: > Automakers see subscriptions as huge new source of income to be tapped, with GM alone hoping to make as much as $25 billion per year just off subscriptions by 2030. and the following quote is from a different part of the article: > though Babbitt admits that GM hasn’t exactly tested this in a controlled setting to see whether or not it’s true. specifically: > Essentially, the thinking is that if a car’s in-built infotainment system is good enough, drivers will be less likely to use their phone for what they’re trying to do while they’re behind the wheel, — though Babbitt admits that GM hasn’t exactly tested this in a controlled setting to see whether or not it’s true.
theyeenzbeanz 3y ago
Good lord the greed just never ends does it? They should look at BMW and see how quickly the heated seat thing fell through for them. At least I know what manufacturers to avoid from now on.
- megablast 3y ago
  Good. Making car drivers finally pay is the greatest thing ever. I am sick of subsidies for them.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    How does a car manufacturer earning more money help a non car user (presumably pedestrian/bicyclists/public transit users)?
- kmlx 3y ago
  > Good lord the greed just never ends does it? GM profit margins have been stable for the past 13 years: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GM/general-motors/profit-margins https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GM/general-motors/... now look at Tesla's profit margins: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/profit-margins https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/profit-...

by kmlx 3y ago

bluefirebrand 3y ago

I am dreading the future of cars, where they somehow are worse than a car I could buy right now but also I have to pay a monthly subscription for the worse experience. The enshittification of everything is making me want to go berserk.

pmg102 3y ago
There's no obligation to buy a new one. Keep your existing cars on the road or replace them with other low mileage used ones. I bet repair costs on used are less than depreciatiom + finance costs on new, and there's pleasure to be gained from a retro aesthetic.
- bluefirebrand 3y ago
  Sure, I plan to drive my current car until the wheels fall off, but that's not the point. I'm young enough that I will very likely need to buy a new-to-me car eventually, and there's a good chance that by then a lot of the used cars out there will be the enshitted versions. I'm not looking forward to it.
- pmontra 3y ago
  Time passes and sooner or later the oldest available used car will be from 2024. Add the effect of legislation which could deny access to some areas important for you unless you have a car compliant to regulations made in 2030.
- wavemode 3y ago
  This is what everyone said to me when phones started losing their headphone jacks (purely so that phone makers could sell overpriced wireless earbuds). But eventually old phones stop working on the new network and you realize every major new phone has followed suit in the cash grab. sigh
  - contact9879 3y ago
    A USB-C to headphone adapter is $5.
    - gambiting 3y ago
      And occupies your USB-C port, which you might want to use at the same time for charging while listening to music(I do while I'm in bed, I'm sure I'm not the only person who does this). My biggest issue with it is that it's been sold to us on a lie - the whole nonsense about "reclaiming the space" - it's BS. There is space for it in nearly every phone on the market.
      - rob74 3y ago
        A USB-C to headphone and USB-C adapter (https://www.amazon.com/Headphone-Charger-Adapter-Charging-Compatible/dp/B09GYRH6YM/?th=1 https://www.amazon.com/Headphone-Charger-Adapter-Charging-Co... - ok, maybe search a little longer for one that hasn't got the "brand" Subynanal printed on it ;) ) isn't much more expensive either...
      - borispavlovic 3y ago
        There are cheap bluetooth dongles with female audio port that a pair of headphones could be plugged turning them into bluetooth headphones. Calls will most probably not work, though.
        gambiting 3y ago
        And it gives you yet another device to charge, reduces your sound quality and introduces audio delay. None of which is a problem with wired headphones. I'm feeling like a dinosaur pointing out that I still have headphones which just work and there is literally nothing wrong with them. I own two pairs of bluetooth headphones too, and they are great - but let's not kid ourselves, there are drawbacks to it too.
- Mountain_Skies 3y ago
  ICE vehicles can be legislatively removed from the roads or so burdened with fees and regulations that they cease to be viable for anyone other than a collector. They can't do it today because the percentage of ICE vehicles is too high but as EV market share grows, green laws can get far more aggressive. Just look at what happened during the pandemic in the name of safety. Now look at you ICE vehicle's tailpipe. That's the new method of control over you and your vehicle and the precedent has already been set that's it's an ok thing for them to do as long as they can drum up the level of hysteria, which they're now quite experienced at doing.
- tempestn 3y ago
  What's particularly frustrating, and I think relevant here, is when new things are better in some respects, but glaringly worse in others. So you can only have the good parts of the new thing if you accept the shit along with it.
- Broken_Hippo 3y ago
  I bet repair costs on used are less than depreciatiom ... There are more considerations than simply cost of repair. Used cars break more than new cars. You are more likely to need some sort of backup plan if you have a used car. I'd be fine here in Norway: My 25 year old car is only used a few times a month. Otherwise, my partner and I walk and/or use public transportation. But I'm lucky enough to live in an area with a fairly robust public transport and pedestrian path system. I couldn't be this secure when I lived in Indiana. Most places had little public transport, and fewer had affordable public transport (taxis only, though they likely have uber now). These options only worked if you stayed in town - but if you were like a lot of Midwestern folks, you have to drive to work and working in the next town over wasn't uncommon. Which means: Something happens to your car, you might wind up unemployed or minimally, it pushes you ever closer to being unemployed. Hope your kid doesn't get sick and you have to miss even more work. I'll also add that "another low mileage car" will still be expensive and you won't generally save yourself a car payment. I was lucky to find mine and if it weren't for a friend finding it, I wouldn't have it at all.
  - lallysingh 3y ago
    25yrs old is a bit extreme for anecdotal data on used cars. My 10yr old truck has been pretty reliable.
    - tristan957 3y ago
      My 18 year old truck is great.
      - Broken_Hippo 3y ago
        And mine is fine. But again, it is luck. Some cars seriously went downhill before they were 10 years old.
    - Broken_Hippo 3y ago
      My car is reliable. I got lucky. I've replaced the brakes. And I was illustrating that I only need minimal reliability since it isn't my main form of transporation. I have public transport and live in a walkable place. I can (and do) dress for weather. The rest of the comments aren't specific to 25 year old cars. I've had an array of used cars in an array of ages. Anything over 4-5 years starts to break due to wear and tear. Alternators and starters go out. Brakes have wear and tear. Things happen. You still likely have a car payment - and you are more likely to if you are poor. Being poor brings the bonus of opting for a car that's been driven more instead of less simply because of the price difference. 'Pretty reliable' isn't the same as the reliability of a newer car.
- outime 3y ago
  >There's no obligation to buy a new one Maybe at your location. For example in Spain, many people will just not be able to drive in many places in 2024 if they don't qualify to have a good-enough "environmental distinctive" which is a label you put in your car that shows how much your car pollutes. No label or too bad of a label? You can't drive in many places. Note: In reality it's bs as many other regulations since e.g. any ECO-labelled car (2nd best distinctive) can be a 600 CV Ferrari with a tiny electric engine.

eviks 3y ago

They didn't call it as it is, that's just the obvious conclusion the author of the article makes based on another source, they make up unverified safety allegations > though Babbitt admits that GM hasn’t exactly tested this in a controlled setting to see whether or not it’s true.

kmlx 3y ago
you misread the article. they did: > Automakers see subscriptions as huge new source of income to be tapped, with GM alone hoping to make as much as $25 billion per year just off subscriptions by 2030. and the following quote is from a different part of the article: > though Babbitt admits that GM hasn’t exactly tested this in a controlled setting to see whether or not it’s true. specifically: > Essentially, the thinking is that if a car’s in-built infotainment system is good enough, drivers will be less likely to use their phone for what they’re trying to do while they’re behind the wheel, — though Babbitt admits that GM hasn’t exactly tested this in a controlled setting to see whether or not it’s true.

theyeenzbeanz 3y ago

Good lord the greed just never ends does it? They should look at BMW and see how quickly the heated seat thing fell through for them. At least I know what manufacturers to avoid from now on.

megablast 3y ago
Good. Making car drivers finally pay is the greatest thing ever. I am sick of subsidies for them.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  How does a car manufacturer earning more money help a non car user (presumably pedestrian/bicyclists/public transit users)?
kmlx 3y ago
> Good lord the greed just never ends does it? GM profit margins have been stable for the past 13 years: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GM/general-motors/profit-margins https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GM/general-motors/... now look at Tesla's profit margins: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/profit-margins https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/profit-...