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Also, alcohol causes cancer. https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/alcohol-and-cancer/how-does-alcohol-cause-cancer https://www.cancer

Also, alcohol causes cancer. https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/alcohol-and-cancer/how-does-alcohol-cause-cancer https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-canc...

tensor 3y ago
Also food causes heart disease, and cancer.
- WolfeReader 3y ago
  "Alcohol" and "smoking" are pretty specific terms, in a way that "food" is not. The first two refer to IARC Group 1 carcinogens, specifically.
- monero-xmr 3y ago
  I agree that alcohol increases cancer but can you find any statistics of the increase of each cancer vs. non-drinkers? Like “cancer X is 1% for non-drinkers and 3% for drinkers” but I can never find this.
  - happytiger 3y ago
    It’s not all cancers it’s specific cancers. Cancers aren’t monolithic: each type has different characteristics and risk factors, aka “Cancer is cancers not just a cancer.” > Drinking about 3.5 drinks a day doubles or even triples your risk of developing cancer of the mouth, pharynx, larynx and esophagus. Drinking about 3.5 drinks a day increases your risk of developing colorectal cancer and breast cancer by 1.5 times. The less alcohol you drink, the lower your cancer risk. https://cancer.ca/en/cancer-information/reduce-your-risk/limit-alcohol/some-sobering-facts-about-alcohol-and-cancer-risk#:~:text=Drinking%20about%203.5%20drinks%20a,the%20lower%20your%20cancer%20risk https://cancer.ca/en/cancer-information/reduce-your-risk/lim.... > Nearly 4% of cancers diagnosed worldwide in 2020 can be attributed to alcohol consumption, according to the World Health Organization. In the United States alone, about 75,000 cancer cases and 19,000 cancer deaths are estimated to be linked to alcohol each year. https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2023/cancer-alcohol-link-public-awareness#:~:text=Nearly%204%25%20of%20cancers%20diagnosed,linked%20to%20alcohol%20each%20year https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2023.... Most of the research is linked to specific types of cancers and alchohol: oropharynx, larynx, esophagus, liver, colon, rectum and breast cancer. Others, like skin cancers, pancreatic and prostate are in the “probably” category.
    - manmal 3y ago
      One of the reasons for cancers in the oral & oropharynx region could be local acetaldehyde production after drinking: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7383267/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7383267/ Potentially that could be mitigated by acetaldehyde decomposing supplements, like Kislip or Acetium lozenges - supposedly they reduce ACH by up to 90%.
      - happytiger 3y ago
        That’s extremely interesting I had no idea! Thank you.
        monero-xmr 3y ago
        ZBiotics produces a probiotic that is a genetically modified bacteria that breaks down acetaldehyde. My wife is a biochemist and she says the science isn't totally bullshit. The reviews of it are mixed, but personally I have found it to be quite effective at reducing hangovers. https://zbiotics.com/ https://zbiotics.com/
    - ponector 3y ago
      19000 cancer death linked to alkohol means your chances to be killed in road accident in US is x2 higher than to die from that type of cancer.
      - YokoZar 3y ago
        Yes, road safety is a serious health problem. But if it's twice as hard to mitigate, that implies we should spend some effort on reducing alcohol deaths too.
        ponector 3y ago
        Actually it is easy to mitigate if you have political will. Vision zero is a common approach which is working in EU. Or laws could be appended with requirements to install extra technical measures to the cars to prevent driving under influence and speeding. It is unclear for me why there is no hard speed limit installed into the cars, like 140km/h.
- anothernewdude 3y ago
  Could you show me the cancer rates of non-eaters?
  - philwelch 3y ago
    It’s probably extremely low, since they don’t tend to live long enough to develop cancer.
    - anothernewdude 3y ago
      I think it's extremely high, since many cancer treatments suppress appetite.
      - philwelch 3y ago
        Ah, good point.
  - taneq 3y ago
    Almost zero, naturally Big Food suppresses these kinds of results though. /s
    - willy_k 3y ago
      Ultra processed foods, which are a large part of many people’s diets, definitely cause cancer[0]. [0]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37087831/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37087831/
      - taneq 3y ago
        While not directly what we were talking about, this is also true. :/
        willy_k 3y ago
        Yeah my bad, it originally had a comment on the multiple jokes seeming to mock a valid claim, though I now get that those were mostly in response to the broadness of “food”.
hn72774 3y ago
There are some pushes to label it as a carcinogen similar to tobacco
ekianjo 3y ago
Yup and nobody talks about it... or not nearly enough. It kills way more than cigarettes.
- michaelmrose 3y ago
  Stats seem to say 140K to alcohol and 480k to smoking. Keep in mind that this is with a MASSIVE push to reduce smoking if we party like its 1990 and project current deaths vs the death rate to smoking we had in 1990 we would be seeing over 800k today. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rate-smoking?country=FRA~GBR~CAF~USA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rate-smoking?countr... https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/heal... https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohol-topics/alcohol-facts-and-statistics/alcohol-related-emergencies-and-deaths-united-states https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohol-to...
  - ekianjo 3y ago
    all clinical data clearly shows that alcohol kills way more than cigarettes. Alcohol drives the rates of most cancers that end up killing people.
    - michaelmrose 3y ago
      Can you back that up a link to said clinical data?
Scoundreller 3y ago
I always found the de-alcoholization of mouth wash a bit interesting. Seemed to happen a little after big tobacco lawsuits. Almost like they know something and worry about it. As with coca-cola decreasing bottle sizes (before that was the cool thing to do). We went from 591mL to 500mL. And new smaller cans in addition to the 355mL cans (222mL). Huge promotions on Coke Zero. Decreased the sugar content in the regular product. https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/why-coke-is-lowering-its-sugar-levels-in-canada-1.2961029 https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/why-coke-is-lowering-its-suga...

tensor 3y ago

Also food causes heart disease, and cancer.

WolfeReader 3y ago
"Alcohol" and "smoking" are pretty specific terms, in a way that "food" is not. The first two refer to IARC Group 1 carcinogens, specifically.
monero-xmr 3y ago
I agree that alcohol increases cancer but can you find any statistics of the increase of each cancer vs. non-drinkers? Like “cancer X is 1% for non-drinkers and 3% for drinkers” but I can never find this.
- happytiger 3y ago
  It’s not all cancers it’s specific cancers. Cancers aren’t monolithic: each type has different characteristics and risk factors, aka “Cancer is cancers not just a cancer.” > Drinking about 3.5 drinks a day doubles or even triples your risk of developing cancer of the mouth, pharynx, larynx and esophagus. Drinking about 3.5 drinks a day increases your risk of developing colorectal cancer and breast cancer by 1.5 times. The less alcohol you drink, the lower your cancer risk. https://cancer.ca/en/cancer-information/reduce-your-risk/limit-alcohol/some-sobering-facts-about-alcohol-and-cancer-risk#:~:text=Drinking%20about%203.5%20drinks%20a,the%20lower%20your%20cancer%20risk https://cancer.ca/en/cancer-information/reduce-your-risk/lim.... > Nearly 4% of cancers diagnosed worldwide in 2020 can be attributed to alcohol consumption, according to the World Health Organization. In the United States alone, about 75,000 cancer cases and 19,000 cancer deaths are estimated to be linked to alcohol each year. https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2023/cancer-alcohol-link-public-awareness#:~:text=Nearly%204%25%20of%20cancers%20diagnosed,linked%20to%20alcohol%20each%20year https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2023.... Most of the research is linked to specific types of cancers and alchohol: oropharynx, larynx, esophagus, liver, colon, rectum and breast cancer. Others, like skin cancers, pancreatic and prostate are in the “probably” category.
  - manmal 3y ago
    One of the reasons for cancers in the oral & oropharynx region could be local acetaldehyde production after drinking: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7383267/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7383267/ Potentially that could be mitigated by acetaldehyde decomposing supplements, like Kislip or Acetium lozenges - supposedly they reduce ACH by up to 90%.
    - happytiger 3y ago
      That’s extremely interesting I had no idea! Thank you.
      - monero-xmr 3y ago
        ZBiotics produces a probiotic that is a genetically modified bacteria that breaks down acetaldehyde. My wife is a biochemist and she says the science isn't totally bullshit. The reviews of it are mixed, but personally I have found it to be quite effective at reducing hangovers. https://zbiotics.com/ https://zbiotics.com/
  - ponector 3y ago
    19000 cancer death linked to alkohol means your chances to be killed in road accident in US is x2 higher than to die from that type of cancer.
    - YokoZar 3y ago
      Yes, road safety is a serious health problem. But if it's twice as hard to mitigate, that implies we should spend some effort on reducing alcohol deaths too.
      - ponector 3y ago
        Actually it is easy to mitigate if you have political will. Vision zero is a common approach which is working in EU. Or laws could be appended with requirements to install extra technical measures to the cars to prevent driving under influence and speeding. It is unclear for me why there is no hard speed limit installed into the cars, like 140km/h.
anothernewdude 3y ago
Could you show me the cancer rates of non-eaters?
- philwelch 3y ago
  It’s probably extremely low, since they don’t tend to live long enough to develop cancer.
  - anothernewdude 3y ago
    I think it's extremely high, since many cancer treatments suppress appetite.
    - philwelch 3y ago
      Ah, good point.
- taneq 3y ago
  Almost zero, naturally Big Food suppresses these kinds of results though. /s
  - willy_k 3y ago
    Ultra processed foods, which are a large part of many people’s diets, definitely cause cancer[0]. [0]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37087831/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37087831/
    - taneq 3y ago
      While not directly what we were talking about, this is also true. :/
      - willy_k 3y ago
        Yeah my bad, it originally had a comment on the multiple jokes seeming to mock a valid claim, though I now get that those were mostly in response to the broadness of “food”.

hn72774 3y ago

There are some pushes to label it as a carcinogen similar to tobacco

ekianjo 3y ago

Yup and nobody talks about it... or not nearly enough. It kills way more than cigarettes.

michaelmrose 3y ago
Stats seem to say 140K to alcohol and 480k to smoking. Keep in mind that this is with a MASSIVE push to reduce smoking if we party like its 1990 and project current deaths vs the death rate to smoking we had in 1990 we would be seeing over 800k today. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rate-smoking?country=FRA~GBR~CAF~USA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rate-smoking?countr... https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/heal... https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohol-topics/alcohol-facts-and-statistics/alcohol-related-emergencies-and-deaths-united-states https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohol-to...
- ekianjo 3y ago
  all clinical data clearly shows that alcohol kills way more than cigarettes. Alcohol drives the rates of most cancers that end up killing people.
  - michaelmrose 3y ago
    Can you back that up a link to said clinical data?

Scoundreller 3y ago

I always found the de-alcoholization of mouth wash a bit interesting. Seemed to happen a little after big tobacco lawsuits. Almost like they know something and worry about it. As with coca-cola decreasing bottle sizes (before that was the cool thing to do). We went from 591mL to 500mL. And new smaller cans in addition to the 355mL cans (222mL). Huge promotions on Coke Zero. Decreased the sugar content in the regular product. https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/why-coke-is-lowering-its-sugar-levels-in-canada-1.2961029 https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/why-coke-is-lowering-its-suga...