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Im sorry where are the exploited tech workers in the US? Then there is this gem from the article: > In many European countries, running a limited liability co

Im sorry where are the exploited tech workers in the US? Then there is this gem from the article: > In many European countries, running a limited liability construct into insolvency effectively bans you from running another one in the foreseeable future. The mentality of "start a company in your 20s, and if you fail, you can either try again or get a job" wasn't a thing. So we are operating from a risk-averse base, due to a labor market with then-sluggish job creation and strong incumbent effects.

isodev 3y ago
The fact that the parent comment believes people would overwork themselves if you provide the right "incentive" (translation: bully them into an economic situation that makes them want to keep their job or else...). Not taking vacation, working overtime etc are all signs of unhealthy work environment. It's not something to cherish, it's something that tells you your business is need of adjustment.
- zer00eyz 3y ago
  >>> Not taking vacation, working overtime etc are all signs of unhealthy work environment. If I worked in a factory, sure. IF I own my business, if I have a stake in what is going on then NO, none of these things are a sign of "unhealthy". I want to be rich and I want to punch the clock will forever be antithetical as long as there is someone more ambitious than someone else.
  - isodev 3y ago
    Ambition has nothing to do with how you treat the people you hire to work for you. The point is, you can both be rich and work a normal work day.
    - zer00eyz 3y ago
      > The point is, you can both be rich and work a normal work day. No, not really. Show me a successful tech venture in the last 20 years where they did 40 hour work weeks and made it. I will show you dozens that didn't. If you hire people that only want to do 40 hours a week. I hire people and give them stake in the company, and less pay. I have more runway, lower costs, higher productivity... The arbitrage between time/work/pay/stake that im offering appeals to subset of people. Those who understand delayed gratification, and make the right bets (or enough of them) have a fairly good chance of coming out on top vs the competitors.

isodev 3y ago

The fact that the parent comment believes people would overwork themselves if you provide the right "incentive" (translation: bully them into an economic situation that makes them want to keep their job or else...). Not taking vacation, working overtime etc are all signs of unhealthy work environment. It's not something to cherish, it's something that tells you your business is need of adjustment.

zer00eyz 3y ago
>>> Not taking vacation, working overtime etc are all signs of unhealthy work environment. If I worked in a factory, sure. IF I own my business, if I have a stake in what is going on then NO, none of these things are a sign of "unhealthy". I want to be rich and I want to punch the clock will forever be antithetical as long as there is someone more ambitious than someone else.
- isodev 3y ago
  Ambition has nothing to do with how you treat the people you hire to work for you. The point is, you can both be rich and work a normal work day.
  - zer00eyz 3y ago
    > The point is, you can both be rich and work a normal work day. No, not really. Show me a successful tech venture in the last 20 years where they did 40 hour work weeks and made it. I will show you dozens that didn't. If you hire people that only want to do 40 hours a week. I hire people and give them stake in the company, and less pay. I have more runway, lower costs, higher productivity... The arbitrage between time/work/pay/stake that im offering appeals to subset of people. Those who understand delayed gratification, and make the right bets (or enough of them) have a fairly good chance of coming out on top vs the competitors.