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The mafia shakes down people who don't interact with them, apple does not.

by dantheman 3y ago

Wowfunhappy 3y ago
How do I develop a mobile app which a majority of people in the US will be able to use without interacting with Apple?
- spiderice 3y ago
  Figure it out lol. That’s what Apple had to do. Why are you expecting a free pass to do what took them decades?
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    Because decades ago, "figuring it out" entailed visiting a website and downloading a software installer. Why is Apple expecting everyone to forget about that and pay them the difference instead?
- CharlesW 3y ago
  You create a web app or website.
- vineyardmike 3y ago
  > a mobile app which a majority of people in the US will be able to use Even using Apple, you can't do this, because you need a separate Android and iOS app already. Big picture though, I don't think you really have a "right" or entitlement to just access everyone. You're not entitled to use someone else's business, even if it's a good one. You can't just go and sell your product in the AT&T store, you need to agree to their terms. Even if you make a phone that only works on the AT&T network, you still need to agree to their terms. You can't sell in Target or Walmart or Costco or even Amazon just because you want to. Oh and you may be quite disappointed to discover many of them take >30% cut too. Apple thinks of the iOS App Store as another storefront, and you need their permission to put your product on their "shelves". The courts agree.
  - wvenable 3y ago
    > Even if you make a phone that only works on the AT&T network, you still need to agree to their terms. Prior to the 1980s, AT&T, as the dominant telephone service provider in the United States, had a policy that only allowed customers to use telephones that were leased from them. This policy was rooted in the belief that non-AT&T equipment could harm the telephone network. Does that sounds familiar? Several legal cases (and the eventual breakup of AT&T) eventually opened up the AT&T network to third party phones and consumers rejoiced.
    - EA-3167 3y ago
      Phones aren't infrastructure, the telecom network is.
  - kmeisthax 3y ago
    Part of Epic's argument was that they wanted Apple and Google to distribute Epic Games Store, which makes your argument valid. However, the commenter you were replying to likely isn't aware of this and does not care about how they install EGS, only that they are able to do so if they do not want to deal with Apple or Google. The sneaky part of Apple's counterargument is that they try to apply your argument not to their own App Store, but to the entire OS. This is a land grab - the App Store is their service, but I own the phone, so the OS should respect my decision to circumvent Apple's curation if I so choose. If I'm not allowed to sell in Target or Walmart, I'm allowed to open my own store and people can circumvent Target to go to me directly. This is how it works for every other form of computer except phones and tablets.
    - freedomben 3y ago
      > This is how it works for every other form of computer except phones and tablets. But only because macs existed before they were able to get away with this. I would bet a huge amount of money that if macs were invented/created after the iphone, they'd be locked down exactly the same way. And many of the same people who love it on the phone would love it on the computer, even though now they would say that it's a general purpose computing device not an appliance like the phone is.
- freejazz 3y ago
  Duh, develop it for Android, where the vast majority of smart phone users exist.
NicoJuicy 3y ago
Nah, they shake down everyone they can. They can't shake down someone out of their reach. They can identify them though ( green icon... )

The mafia shakes down people who don't interact with them, apple does not.

Wowfunhappy 3y ago

How do I develop a mobile app which a majority of people in the US will be able to use without interacting with Apple?

spiderice 3y ago
Figure it out lol. That’s what Apple had to do. Why are you expecting a free pass to do what took them decades?
- smoldesu 3y ago
  Because decades ago, "figuring it out" entailed visiting a website and downloading a software installer. Why is Apple expecting everyone to forget about that and pay them the difference instead?
CharlesW 3y ago
You create a web app or website.
vineyardmike 3y ago
> a mobile app which a majority of people in the US will be able to use Even using Apple, you can't do this, because you need a separate Android and iOS app already. Big picture though, I don't think you really have a "right" or entitlement to just access everyone. You're not entitled to use someone else's business, even if it's a good one. You can't just go and sell your product in the AT&T store, you need to agree to their terms. Even if you make a phone that only works on the AT&T network, you still need to agree to their terms. You can't sell in Target or Walmart or Costco or even Amazon just because you want to. Oh and you may be quite disappointed to discover many of them take >30% cut too. Apple thinks of the iOS App Store as another storefront, and you need their permission to put your product on their "shelves". The courts agree.
- wvenable 3y ago
  > Even if you make a phone that only works on the AT&T network, you still need to agree to their terms. Prior to the 1980s, AT&T, as the dominant telephone service provider in the United States, had a policy that only allowed customers to use telephones that were leased from them. This policy was rooted in the belief that non-AT&T equipment could harm the telephone network. Does that sounds familiar? Several legal cases (and the eventual breakup of AT&T) eventually opened up the AT&T network to third party phones and consumers rejoiced.
  - EA-3167 3y ago
    Phones aren't infrastructure, the telecom network is.
- kmeisthax 3y ago
  Part of Epic's argument was that they wanted Apple and Google to distribute Epic Games Store, which makes your argument valid. However, the commenter you were replying to likely isn't aware of this and does not care about how they install EGS, only that they are able to do so if they do not want to deal with Apple or Google. The sneaky part of Apple's counterargument is that they try to apply your argument not to their own App Store, but to the entire OS. This is a land grab - the App Store is their service, but I own the phone, so the OS should respect my decision to circumvent Apple's curation if I so choose. If I'm not allowed to sell in Target or Walmart, I'm allowed to open my own store and people can circumvent Target to go to me directly. This is how it works for every other form of computer except phones and tablets.
  - freedomben 3y ago
    > This is how it works for every other form of computer except phones and tablets. But only because macs existed before they were able to get away with this. I would bet a huge amount of money that if macs were invented/created after the iphone, they'd be locked down exactly the same way. And many of the same people who love it on the phone would love it on the computer, even though now they would say that it's a general purpose computing device not an appliance like the phone is.
freejazz 3y ago
Duh, develop it for Android, where the vast majority of smart phone users exist.

NicoJuicy 3y ago

Nah, they shake down everyone they can. They can't shake down someone out of their reach. They can identify them though ( green icon... )