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It’s false based on what? Your own anecdotal experience? I have a friend group that has iPhones and Androids. We went on vacation and had to jump through so man

by _gabe_ 3y ago

It’s false based on what? Your own anecdotal experience? I have a friend group that has iPhones and Androids. We went on vacation and had to jump through so many hoops just to share our pictures. We don’t care what devices everybody uses, because why the heck should that matter? The fact that it can be simple to share high fidelity pictures and videos, but it isn’t just because Apple wants their walled garden benefits nobody but Apple. So your claim that this is laughably false is easily refuted by my anecdotal evidence. People that are friends or family with differing devices do exist. I know, it’s shocking. And it would be nice to have something as simple as messaging just work without all these stupid UX downgrades for no reason at all.

throw310822 3y ago
Curious. In Europe, I never know if my friends are using Android or iPhone. My gf has iPhone and we never had any issue sharing pictures and videos- we both use Whatsapp (never heard of iMessage outside of this absurd "green bubble" thing that happens in the US) and Google Photos.
- _gabe_ 3y ago
  Nobody I know in the US uses WhatsApp. This has been repeated ad nauseam in other comments. I don’t know why this is, but in the US people tend to use the default message apps on their phones to text each other. The only other app that I’ve seen used in several places is GroupMe, but that’s typically reserved for large groups (more than 10 people or so) that may include people you’re not friends with, but more acquaintances. So it’s been used for school classes, community groups, and things like that. Me and my friends don’t care about green vs blue bubbles or any of that garbage. We just want to be able to communicate over the paid cellular plan that we already have. What happens in Europe has no bearing on this. All I pointed out by my comment above is that this is a problem and there are people that would like a solution. And, not that this matters, I’m writing this on my iPhone. But, this is still an annoying problem to me because much of my family and some of my friends use android. Apple degrades my experience with family and friends for no technical reason. The only reason they do this, presumably, is to retain a large market share and promote some stupid “exclusivity” ideal that appeals to some people.
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  - throw310822 3y ago
    > Nobody I know in the US uses WhatsApp > this is a problem and there are people that would like a solution The solution is literally downloading a free app and encouraging others to do the same. > this is still an annoying problem to me because much of my family and some of my friends use android Then why don't you start using Whatsapp with them? It's not like in Europe we were born with it, at some point someone told us "you are on Whatsapp, right? I'll message you there" and we downloaded the damn thing. Is it an internet connection issue? (In the sense that you need to always be able to fallback seamlessly to SMSes because the connection is spotty?)
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    - snowe2010 3y ago
      >The solution is literally downloading a free app and encouraging others to do the same. Absolutely not. I'll never touch whatsapp with a ten thousand foot pole. If you aren't tired of facebook ruining people's lives then I don't know what to tell you, but frankly most people who pay attention are sick of FB controlling the planet. How about instead, you use apps that don't sell your information to literally anyone who will give them a dollar? Like Apple's iMessage.
      - SpaceManNabs 3y ago
        This attitude is exactly what I was talking about! american iphone users just want others to be iphone users
        snowe2010 3y ago
SpaceManNabs 3y ago
The technie vs normie divide exemplified right here in these comments. You don't hear iPhone users begging their friends to get on signal unless they are discussing drugs or sensitive topics. You hear android users ask iphone users to install wtv app all the time. And I am talking about anecdotes here, but there are well-document events (some that happened this year) that do emphasize what I am saying. I won't share them though because you know... jobs... and that they should be obvious if you are following this conversation over the past decade. What I will say tho is that only one company wants (wants being generous) the other to change their messaging. > The fact that it can be simple to share high fidelity pictures and videos, but it isn’t just because Apple wants their walled garden benefits nobody but Apple Irrelevant. iPhone users mostly just want android users to get iphones. Doesn't matter why.
- _gabe_ 3y ago
  I didn’t mention this, because it doesn’t matter. I use an iPhone. I’m writing this on an iPhone. I use a MacBook. Why the heck should I care about my friends and family paying some “Apple status” fee to get an iPhone just so I can share pictures and videos with them? > iPhone users mostly just want android users to get iphones. Doesn't matter why. This is anecdotal. Where is the data proclaiming this? I’ve never personally met somebody that cares what brand of phone you have. And I guess it should also be said, I don’t use drugs or anything. I just want to be able to message friends and family without pointless restrictions. I don’t know where you’re getting these ideas from.
  - SpaceManNabs 3y ago
    > Why the heck should I care about my friends and family paying some “Apple status” fee to get an iPhone just so I can share pictures and videos with them? You might not. It is clear that the majority of iphone users don't care that android users keep complaining about green vs blue bubbles. > Where is the data proclaiming this? Use the mobile app usage data repository that your company provides or wtv data subscription (Bloomberg, data.ai, etc) that your company provides. After looking at aggregate, segment by iOS vs android. Hell, if you work in the mobile app space, you already know just how difficult it is to get iOS users to shift away from the apple default. > I don’t know where you’re getting these ideas from. like i said, techie vs normie divide. Funny you keep mentioning anecdotes when we can clearly look at the market forces. Apple isn't being pressured to change anything because their users just find it easier for others to switch to iPhone. As others have remarked, my perspective is US-centric. > I’ve never personally met somebody that cares what brand of phone you have. This is incorrect, or you don't meet many people. They exist.
danaris 3y ago
It's not hard "just because Apple wants their walled garden benefits nobody but Apple". It's hard because SMS does not and cannot support those features. If you want group picture sharing, just pick a chat protocol that actually supports that, rather than bitching at Apple over what SMS, a protocol they have zero control over, can and can't do. Apple is not deliberately degrading the experience for SMS users, or refusing to allow sharing high-quality videos and photos with SMS users. That's like saying Apple is discriminating against your grandmother by not letting you video call her landline phone from 1985.
binkHN 3y ago
Apple supporting RCS should fix this, hopefully.
whyoh 3y ago
>The fact that it can be simple to share high fidelity pictures and videos, but it isn’t just because Apple... It's literally as simple as installing a cross-platform app. Apple is not stopping you from doing that. And using a third party app/protocol is pretty much the only way right now. Even most Android users don't use RCS among themselves, because only newer phones have it enabled by default and it only works in some apps.

by _gabe_ 3y ago

throw310822 3y ago

Curious. In Europe, I never know if my friends are using Android or iPhone. My gf has iPhone and we never had any issue sharing pictures and videos- we both use Whatsapp (never heard of iMessage outside of this absurd "green bubble" thing that happens in the US) and Google Photos.

_gabe_ 3y ago
Nobody I know in the US uses WhatsApp. This has been repeated ad nauseam in other comments. I don’t know why this is, but in the US people tend to use the default message apps on their phones to text each other. The only other app that I’ve seen used in several places is GroupMe, but that’s typically reserved for large groups (more than 10 people or so) that may include people you’re not friends with, but more acquaintances. So it’s been used for school classes, community groups, and things like that. Me and my friends don’t care about green vs blue bubbles or any of that garbage. We just want to be able to communicate over the paid cellular plan that we already have. What happens in Europe has no bearing on this. All I pointed out by my comment above is that this is a problem and there are people that would like a solution. And, not that this matters, I’m writing this on my iPhone. But, this is still an annoying problem to me because much of my family and some of my friends use android. Apple degrades my experience with family and friends for no technical reason. The only reason they do this, presumably, is to retain a large market share and promote some stupid “exclusivity” ideal that appeals to some people.
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- throw310822 3y ago
  > Nobody I know in the US uses WhatsApp > this is a problem and there are people that would like a solution The solution is literally downloading a free app and encouraging others to do the same. > this is still an annoying problem to me because much of my family and some of my friends use android Then why don't you start using Whatsapp with them? It's not like in Europe we were born with it, at some point someone told us "you are on Whatsapp, right? I'll message you there" and we downloaded the damn thing. Is it an internet connection issue? (In the sense that you need to always be able to fallback seamlessly to SMSes because the connection is spotty?)
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  - snowe2010 3y ago
    >The solution is literally downloading a free app and encouraging others to do the same. Absolutely not. I'll never touch whatsapp with a ten thousand foot pole. If you aren't tired of facebook ruining people's lives then I don't know what to tell you, but frankly most people who pay attention are sick of FB controlling the planet. How about instead, you use apps that don't sell your information to literally anyone who will give them a dollar? Like Apple's iMessage.
    - SpaceManNabs 3y ago
      This attitude is exactly what I was talking about! american iphone users just want others to be iphone users
      - snowe2010 3y ago

SpaceManNabs 3y ago

The technie vs normie divide exemplified right here in these comments. You don't hear iPhone users begging their friends to get on signal unless they are discussing drugs or sensitive topics. You hear android users ask iphone users to install wtv app all the time. And I am talking about anecdotes here, but there are well-document events (some that happened this year) that do emphasize what I am saying. I won't share them though because you know... jobs... and that they should be obvious if you are following this conversation over the past decade. What I will say tho is that only one company wants (wants being generous) the other to change their messaging. > The fact that it can be simple to share high fidelity pictures and videos, but it isn’t just because Apple wants their walled garden benefits nobody but Apple Irrelevant. iPhone users mostly just want android users to get iphones. Doesn't matter why.

_gabe_ 3y ago
I didn’t mention this, because it doesn’t matter. I use an iPhone. I’m writing this on an iPhone. I use a MacBook. Why the heck should I care about my friends and family paying some “Apple status” fee to get an iPhone just so I can share pictures and videos with them? > iPhone users mostly just want android users to get iphones. Doesn't matter why. This is anecdotal. Where is the data proclaiming this? I’ve never personally met somebody that cares what brand of phone you have. And I guess it should also be said, I don’t use drugs or anything. I just want to be able to message friends and family without pointless restrictions. I don’t know where you’re getting these ideas from.
- SpaceManNabs 3y ago
  > Why the heck should I care about my friends and family paying some “Apple status” fee to get an iPhone just so I can share pictures and videos with them? You might not. It is clear that the majority of iphone users don't care that android users keep complaining about green vs blue bubbles. > Where is the data proclaiming this? Use the mobile app usage data repository that your company provides or wtv data subscription (Bloomberg, data.ai, etc) that your company provides. After looking at aggregate, segment by iOS vs android. Hell, if you work in the mobile app space, you already know just how difficult it is to get iOS users to shift away from the apple default. > I don’t know where you’re getting these ideas from. like i said, techie vs normie divide. Funny you keep mentioning anecdotes when we can clearly look at the market forces. Apple isn't being pressured to change anything because their users just find it easier for others to switch to iPhone. As others have remarked, my perspective is US-centric. > I’ve never personally met somebody that cares what brand of phone you have. This is incorrect, or you don't meet many people. They exist.

danaris 3y ago

It's not hard "just because Apple wants their walled garden benefits nobody but Apple". It's hard because SMS does not and cannot support those features. If you want group picture sharing, just pick a chat protocol that actually supports that, rather than bitching at Apple over what SMS, a protocol they have zero control over, can and can't do. Apple is not deliberately degrading the experience for SMS users, or refusing to allow sharing high-quality videos and photos with SMS users. That's like saying Apple is discriminating against your grandmother by not letting you video call her landline phone from 1985.

binkHN 3y ago

Apple supporting RCS should fix this, hopefully.

whyoh 3y ago

>The fact that it can be simple to share high fidelity pictures and videos, but it isn’t just because Apple... It's literally as simple as installing a cross-platform app. Apple is not stopping you from doing that. And using a third party app/protocol is pretty much the only way right now. Even most Android users don't use RCS among themselves, because only newer phones have it enabled by default and it only works in some apps.