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> iPhone customers desperately want to be able to chat together is also laughably false lol. iPhone users just want android users to get an iphone.

theshrike79 3y ago
...in the US. The rest of the world uses Telegram, WhatsApp and Signal. This blue/green bubble SMS but not SMS -thing is a 100% an American issue.
- Jtsummers 3y ago
  It's really not an American issue. It's an immature people issue. I've yet to meet anyone who actually cares about whether their messages show up as blue or green when they send them. My social network (in the US) is about 50/50 for Android and iPhone users, and we have a variety of group threads that have both types of phones in them. The only people that care are: - Maybe some children - Some immature adults - A lot of people who have never used an iPhone and don't even know what the blue/green bubble is but whine about it anyways.
  - greatquux 3y ago
    100%. It's nice to have the typing status, delivered/read status, higher quality of pictures, etc. But I could care less what color it is, and group conversations with SMS/MMS work pretty darn well. I would like a desktop SMS/MMS/iMessage client for my Linux desktop though without having to run a Mac.
    - theshrike79 3y ago
      If you think that SMS/MMS group conversations "work pretty darn well" you really should try something made in the 2000's instead. The amount of features you get for groups in Telegram for example is galaxies ahead of SMS groups.
      - greatquux 3y ago
        What I mean is I'm not constantly fighting to keep messages under a certain size, getting message rejections, weird formatting, or even annoying tapback quotes anymore: basic functionality is all I care about and working fine. Plus I can send funny GIFs back and forth! I have used Telegram, WhatsApp, Discord, etc and they're "nice" and have lots of emotes, but I don't really care too much as long as basic functionality is good.
  - dr-smooth 3y ago
    Android user here who is a member of a group that is all iphone. Those users don't care about the color of the bubble. What thy care about is that if I am in the group, they lose functionality that they are accustomed to. The big ones that I hear about are adding/removing users and high quality media sharing. Not to mention the janky handling of message reactions that seem to always suck for one side or the other. The problem is that having just one non-iphone user in the mix causes imessage to drop to SMS, taking them back a decade in functionality. And yes, some of them do complain about it vocally. Maybe they're immature, I don't know. But it's an annoying bit of social friction, and I'm sure many android users have caved to the pressure to "upgrade" to an iphone.
    - venusenvy47 3y ago
      This is the same with my wife. She didn't care about what phones anyone had, she just found that her group chats with iPhone friends (when she had Android) were janky, as you describe. She doesn't care about apps or phones, but we got her an iPhone because she wants her chats to work well.
- SpaceManNabs 3y ago
  Ye you are probably right that I am american-centric in my perspective. Only one that really matters in tech tho. Percentage share of iphones are rising in korea and japan tho for similar reasons though.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
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hu3 3y ago
> iPhone users just want android users to get an iphone. That's what Apple wants. So they maintain arbitrary limitations to incentivize their customers to also want it. "Android? You're buying it wrong"
_gabe_ 3y ago
It’s false based on what? Your own anecdotal experience? I have a friend group that has iPhones and Androids. We went on vacation and had to jump through so many hoops just to share our pictures. We don’t care what devices everybody uses, because why the heck should that matter? The fact that it can be simple to share high fidelity pictures and videos, but it isn’t just because Apple wants their walled garden benefits nobody but Apple. So your claim that this is laughably false is easily refuted by my anecdotal evidence. People that are friends or family with differing devices do exist. I know, it’s shocking. And it would be nice to have something as simple as messaging just work without all these stupid UX downgrades for no reason at all.
- throw310822 3y ago
  Curious. In Europe, I never know if my friends are using Android or iPhone. My gf has iPhone and we never had any issue sharing pictures and videos- we both use Whatsapp (never heard of iMessage outside of this absurd "green bubble" thing that happens in the US) and Google Photos.
  - _gabe_ 3y ago
    Nobody I know in the US uses WhatsApp. This has been repeated ad nauseam in other comments. I don’t know why this is, but in the US people tend to use the default message apps on their phones to text each other. The only other app that I’ve seen used in several places is GroupMe, but that’s typically reserved for large groups (more than 10 people or so) that may include people you’re not friends with, but more acquaintances. So it’s been used for school classes, community groups, and things like that. Me and my friends don’t care about green vs blue bubbles or any of that garbage. We just want to be able to communicate over the paid cellular plan that we already have. What happens in Europe has no bearing on this. All I pointed out by my comment above is that this is a problem and there are people that would like a solution. And, not that this matters, I’m writing this on my iPhone. But, this is still an annoying problem to me because much of my family and some of my friends use android. Apple degrades my experience with family and friends for no technical reason. The only reason they do this, presumably, is to retain a large market share and promote some stupid “exclusivity” ideal that appeals to some people.
standardUser 3y ago
Yes, because Apple has very successfully manipulated iPhone users into thinking this. It's both impressive and depressing how effectively Apple has achieved this marketing goal.
- SpaceManNabs 3y ago
  doesn't matter why
mrlatinos 3y ago
Facts. US iPhone users are so incredibly entitled, the suggestion that they're going to move to a third party app to accommodate Android users is laughable.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
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- SpaceManNabs 3y ago
  I am surprised my statement was so controversial tbh. It is exceedingly obvious if you talk to hot women lol, and they are pretty much are what determines how mainstream people are going to talk to each other.
s3p 3y ago
No we don’t! Consider this. I want to send a picture to my friend. If iPhone, I can iMessage it to them easy, no compression and fully encrypted. If android, I can text them but MMS will degrade the quality. I can send it over instagram or Snapchat but that will also degrade the quality. I can send it through google photos but wait!! That also degrades the quality. Not to mention none of these methods are e2ee. The only lossless option is email. No one in college is emailing me photos btw. So if they don’t have an iPhone generally I’m out of luck

theshrike79 3y ago

...in the US. The rest of the world uses Telegram, WhatsApp and Signal. This blue/green bubble SMS but not SMS -thing is a 100% an American issue.

Jtsummers 3y ago
It's really not an American issue. It's an immature people issue. I've yet to meet anyone who actually cares about whether their messages show up as blue or green when they send them. My social network (in the US) is about 50/50 for Android and iPhone users, and we have a variety of group threads that have both types of phones in them. The only people that care are: - Maybe some children - Some immature adults - A lot of people who have never used an iPhone and don't even know what the blue/green bubble is but whine about it anyways.
- greatquux 3y ago
  100%. It's nice to have the typing status, delivered/read status, higher quality of pictures, etc. But I could care less what color it is, and group conversations with SMS/MMS work pretty darn well. I would like a desktop SMS/MMS/iMessage client for my Linux desktop though without having to run a Mac.
  - theshrike79 3y ago
    If you think that SMS/MMS group conversations "work pretty darn well" you really should try something made in the 2000's instead. The amount of features you get for groups in Telegram for example is galaxies ahead of SMS groups.
    - greatquux 3y ago
      What I mean is I'm not constantly fighting to keep messages under a certain size, getting message rejections, weird formatting, or even annoying tapback quotes anymore: basic functionality is all I care about and working fine. Plus I can send funny GIFs back and forth! I have used Telegram, WhatsApp, Discord, etc and they're "nice" and have lots of emotes, but I don't really care too much as long as basic functionality is good.
- dr-smooth 3y ago
  Android user here who is a member of a group that is all iphone. Those users don't care about the color of the bubble. What thy care about is that if I am in the group, they lose functionality that they are accustomed to. The big ones that I hear about are adding/removing users and high quality media sharing. Not to mention the janky handling of message reactions that seem to always suck for one side or the other. The problem is that having just one non-iphone user in the mix causes imessage to drop to SMS, taking them back a decade in functionality. And yes, some of them do complain about it vocally. Maybe they're immature, I don't know. But it's an annoying bit of social friction, and I'm sure many android users have caved to the pressure to "upgrade" to an iphone.
  - venusenvy47 3y ago
    This is the same with my wife. She didn't care about what phones anyone had, she just found that her group chats with iPhone friends (when she had Android) were janky, as you describe. She doesn't care about apps or phones, but we got her an iPhone because she wants her chats to work well.
SpaceManNabs 3y ago
Ye you are probably right that I am american-centric in my perspective. Only one that really matters in tech tho. Percentage share of iphones are rising in korea and japan tho for similar reasons though.
cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
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hu3 3y ago

> iPhone users just want android users to get an iphone. That's what Apple wants. So they maintain arbitrary limitations to incentivize their customers to also want it. "Android? You're buying it wrong"

_gabe_ 3y ago

It’s false based on what? Your own anecdotal experience? I have a friend group that has iPhones and Androids. We went on vacation and had to jump through so many hoops just to share our pictures. We don’t care what devices everybody uses, because why the heck should that matter? The fact that it can be simple to share high fidelity pictures and videos, but it isn’t just because Apple wants their walled garden benefits nobody but Apple. So your claim that this is laughably false is easily refuted by my anecdotal evidence. People that are friends or family with differing devices do exist. I know, it’s shocking. And it would be nice to have something as simple as messaging just work without all these stupid UX downgrades for no reason at all.

throw310822 3y ago
Curious. In Europe, I never know if my friends are using Android or iPhone. My gf has iPhone and we never had any issue sharing pictures and videos- we both use Whatsapp (never heard of iMessage outside of this absurd "green bubble" thing that happens in the US) and Google Photos.
- _gabe_ 3y ago
  Nobody I know in the US uses WhatsApp. This has been repeated ad nauseam in other comments. I don’t know why this is, but in the US people tend to use the default message apps on their phones to text each other. The only other app that I’ve seen used in several places is GroupMe, but that’s typically reserved for large groups (more than 10 people or so) that may include people you’re not friends with, but more acquaintances. So it’s been used for school classes, community groups, and things like that. Me and my friends don’t care about green vs blue bubbles or any of that garbage. We just want to be able to communicate over the paid cellular plan that we already have. What happens in Europe has no bearing on this. All I pointed out by my comment above is that this is a problem and there are people that would like a solution. And, not that this matters, I’m writing this on my iPhone. But, this is still an annoying problem to me because much of my family and some of my friends use android. Apple degrades my experience with family and friends for no technical reason. The only reason they do this, presumably, is to retain a large market share and promote some stupid “exclusivity” ideal that appeals to some people.

standardUser 3y ago

Yes, because Apple has very successfully manipulated iPhone users into thinking this. It's both impressive and depressing how effectively Apple has achieved this marketing goal.

SpaceManNabs 3y ago
doesn't matter why

mrlatinos 3y ago

Facts. US iPhone users are so incredibly entitled, the suggestion that they're going to move to a third party app to accommodate Android users is laughable.

cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
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SpaceManNabs 3y ago
I am surprised my statement was so controversial tbh. It is exceedingly obvious if you talk to hot women lol, and they are pretty much are what determines how mainstream people are going to talk to each other.

s3p 3y ago

No we don’t! Consider this. I want to send a picture to my friend. If iPhone, I can iMessage it to them easy, no compression and fully encrypted. If android, I can text them but MMS will degrade the quality. I can send it over instagram or Snapchat but that will also degrade the quality. I can send it through google photos but wait!! That also degrades the quality. Not to mention none of these methods are e2ee. The only lossless option is email. No one in college is emailing me photos btw. So if they don’t have an iPhone generally I’m out of luck