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I think one of the underlying issues is that many are now going to be hesitant to even bother with Beeper Mini anymore. I don’t think there is going to be a hig
by LordKeren 3y ago
I think one of the underlying issues is that many are now going to be hesitant to even bother with Beeper Mini anymore. I don’t think there is going to be a high tolerance for this game of cat and mouse from the end user perspective
I also don’t think goading apple is going to do much here either. Regardless of the current feelings around apple’s walled garden, they are not going to suddenly keel over and give up on locking out these commercialized attempted to bypass their security
- philomath_mn 3y agoYeah I was super excited to try it out last week, but then it went down and I didn't receive important messages from my wife (didn't even realize the app was down). I probably won't try it again until it has a few months of uninterrupted service.
- SparkyMcUnicorn 3y agoRight now Beeper Mini only works without registering your phone number, and I'd be ok if that's all I ever got. In fact, I hope they make number registration optional if they do get that working again. I still have my Macbook if/when Beeper is cut off again.
- wvenable 3y agoIt definitely might be better at the moment without registering your number as then you won't have messages disappear into nothingness if the service goes down again. I missed a few messages when I switched from iPhone to Android because I hadn't deregistered my number from Apple. I don't think I'd use my existing Apple ID for this -- probably easy enough to create a new one with a new email.
- lxgr 3y agoNumber registration is and always was optional on Beeper Mini!
- graphe 3y agoiMessage is reliable, ‘free’ and encrypted. Beeper mini is unreliable, paid, and encrypted. I wouldn’t recommend it anymore to my Android friends.
- unshavedyak 3y agoIs it free? I have it bundled as part of my hardware purchases. Is there somewhere to get it without paying?
- bear141 3y agoThe quotations would indicate that he is using “free” facetiously.
- bee_rider 3y agoThey put free in quotes because it is bundled in, I’m pretty sure. It is, from a user point of view, free if you are already buying an iPhone anyway. I have no idea how to compute the actual price. It really isn’t any better than SMS anyway, so I put the value at $0.
- wharvle 3y ago> It really isn’t any better than SMS anyway, so I put the value at $0. Depends on what you do with it. You can send much higher-quality photos and videos over iMessage than SMS/MMS. You can also do things like play games (chess, for example) entirely inside iMessage. If you're just sending short messages of plain text, yeah, it's not much of an improvement.
- MissTake 3y agoIt’s free. The fact it’s only available on Apple devices doesn’t change that fact. You can only get Apple Fitness on Apple devices, but you also have to pay for it.
- unshavedyak 3y agoSeems a silly distinction. So you're saying Beeper could make paper clips, sell them to you for $2/m, and then give you Beeper Mini for free and you'd consider it free? Imo the only thing that should be done here is only valid Apple IDs should be able to use this service. Then paying customers are the ones using it. Problem solved, right?
- seanp2k2 3y agoAll Apple needs to do is send a few scary C&D letters from their army of lawyers and this will be done. If they run the infrastructure for imessage, I'm sure there's something in a ToS somewhere that talks about spoofing device IDs and unauthorized use of their services blah blah Apple's sole discretion. In theory I love it but in reality it'll be dead soon as Apple has too much to gain from the walled garden they've spent decades and billions building and defending.
- mmastrac 3y agoA $3T monopolist sending scary C&D letters tends to get the attention of the government.
- Pikamander2 3y agoI'm sure they're quaking in their boots over the prospect of paying a $2m fine a decade from now.
- tycho-newman 3y agoThat decade of lawyer fees is much more than $2m.
- aetherson 3y agoWhat is your evidence for this assertion?
- bongodongobob 3y agoSince when? What country?
- JoshuaRogers 3y agoIf it was obviously bogus (think SLAPP territory) then that would make sense, but I don't think it is as likely to get their attention if the offending behavior can reasonably be classified as a potential violation of the CFAA. (Whether it is a violation or not, I certainly couldn't say, but my point being that there is a reasonable good faith interpretation of the behavior that would not raise eyebrows.)
- Beached 3y agolet's be honest. it isn't for security. security is just the hand they wave to prevent people from tapping their walled garden.
- pathartl 3y agoI'd be willing to put up with it if it were free, like the good ol MSN messenger / AIM days.
- Miner49er 3y agoIt is free
- lolinder 3y agoFrom their website [0]: > We currently offer a 7 day free trial, afterwards there is a $1.99 per month subscription. Beeper Mini is available to download today with no waitlist. That doesn't sound free to me. Am I missing something? [0] https://www.beeper.com/ https://www.beeper.com/
- m4jor 3y ago"We’ve made Beeper free to use. Things have been a bit chaotic, and we’re not comfortable subjecting paying users to this. As soon as things stabilize (we hope they will), we’ll look at turning on subscriptions again. If you want to keep supporting us, feel free to leave the subscription on ."
- ehsankia 3y agoI agree that right now, most people shouldn't give this a try. But at some point it will reach a steady state. Either Beeper manages to make a client that is truly indistinguishable from old iPhones, and gets to exist for a few years, or Apple somehow manages to patch all existing iPhones in a way that makes it impossible to spoof (not sure if that's possible with old hardware that don't have a secure enclave).
- okdood64 3y ago> But at some point it will reach a steady state. I highly doubt that these guys will win. I would bet 5 AAPL on it.