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I just joined after reading the post. This wasn't the first time I've heard of Omg.lol but I wasn't entirely convinced earlier. For a long while, I've felt kin

I just joined after reading the post. This wasn't the first time I've heard of Omg.lol but I wasn't entirely convinced earlier. For a long while, I've felt kinda lonely online as all of the communities and little corners online I've been part off have slowly died. I guess I've sort of been digitally homeless. I really enjoy the latest trends when it comes to indieweb and digital gardens, people creating their own space instead of living on closed platforms, so this definitely hit all the marks for me. I don't think I've bought anything online faster than just now haha. Blake just cost me twenty quid, but I'm happy to vote with my feet instead of selling my data and attention to big corporations.

footlose_3815 3y ago
> Section 6.3 We may share personal information in connection with a corporate transaction, like a merger or sale of our company, the sale of most of our assets, or a bankruptcy. >Section 6.5 Except where explicitly stated to the contrary in this Policy, in some cases, particularly given the limited amount and type of information and data collected through omg.lol, we have not restricted contractors’ own use or disclosure of that information or data. We are not responsible for the conduct or policies of Stripe, or other contractors. INAL but that seems pretty cookie-cutter "Company is not ruling-out selling your data to others". https://home.omg.lol/info/legal https://home.omg.lol/info/legal
- Arch485 3y ago
  Also not a lawyer, but that sounds more like "if another company acquires us, we will give your info to them" and then separately "Stripe might sell your data; we're not responsible for them". Which is rotally reasonable/expected imho.
  - computerex 3y ago
    >... we have not restricted contractors’ own use or disclosure of that information or data. We are not responsible for the conduct or policies of Stripe, or other contractors. I mean this seems pretty suspect for anyone privacy focused.
    - rusk 3y ago
      Also not legal in Europe where you absolutely are responsible for the actions of your processors
      - CaptArmchair 3y ago
        > Section 8.6 GDPR > Part b. omg.lol does not believe its processing of limited personal data of those outside the United States (if any) brings it within the jurisdiction of these laws. That's a hard disclaimer if there's any. I read that as: if you're a European user, we do not believe you can legally enforce us to honor your rights, even though we operate within the EEA.
        ykonstant 3y ago
        This is very disappointing, and automatically dismisses omg.lol as an option for me as a researcher and educator.
        jacquesm 3y ago
        And is illegal to boot. If that's their attitude they should not allow Europeans to register in the first place because all it will do is set them up for a confrontation with the various Data Privacy Offices. And such wilful language rules out any apologies.
        CaptArmchair 3y ago
        More to the point, the GDPR is quite explicit on here as well: > Article 3.2 goes even further and applies the law to organizations that are not in the EU if two conditions are met: the organization offers goods or services to people in the EU, or the organization monitors their online behavior. (Article 3.3 refers to more unusual scenarios, such as in EU embassies.) https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ Which is pretty much what happens given that they allow EU citizens to buy a 20 USD subscription.
        3y ago
  - underdeserver 3y ago
    Not a lawyer so I might be reading this wrong - but to me this says "We might sell the company to someone else, and they in turn might sell it to anyone", and that's a bit scarier.
    - arp242 3y ago
      You can't prevent that, not really. That "section 6.3" applies to every company, but these ToS are a bit more upfront about it.
      - mynameisash 3y ago
        > You can't prevent that, not really. Couldn't you simply codify in the ToS that PII or even most/all historical metadata would be scrubbed upon the sale of the company? IANAL, but I would assume that a company could commit themselves in the user agreement in such a way that it guarantees some protection against this kind of concern.
        arp242 3y ago
        You can always change the terms of service; no one would really notice a detail like this. And things like email addresses are "PII", and maybe some more things that are required to actually run this business. So "scrub all PII" isn't really a very feasible thing to do in the first place.
      - actionfromafar 3y ago
        You can't prevent it, but you can make it a breach of contract. (Where the new buyer would breach the contract if passing data on.)
      - antiframe 3y ago
        Is forced selling a thing for sole proprietorships? Is including data in a sale forced? You can prevent that if you want two ways: 1) Don't sell the company 2) Sell the company sans data (destroy it first)
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    No, that's not totally reasonable and expected. Change of control can be a valid reason for breaking open a previous arrangement, especially when that change of control negates the exact reason why people would join this to begin with. After all, if your data can be transferred at will to another entity due to a change of ownership and the agreement you made can then be annulled (because the new owners don't care about your privacy as much as the previous ones) then that's an end-run around the whole principle.
  - cultureswitch 3y ago
    This is entirely unreasonable from the user's perspective.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  I love the idea of the service, but yes, those terms (and the commentary about the GDPR) are very strong showstoppers for me.
  - SushiHippie 3y ago
    Oh wow, thank you for mentioning the GDPR bit!
stcredzero 3y ago
I really enjoy the latest trends when it comes to indieweb and digital gardens, people creating their own space instead of living on closed platforms The way I see the current day situation, re: Elon Musk's freedom of speech contingency tree -- If X/Twitter and other social media prospers, it's good for him and he wins. If those die and people rediscover, "people creating their own space instead of living on closed platforms," he wins as well.

footlose_3815 3y ago

> Section 6.3 We may share personal information in connection with a corporate transaction, like a merger or sale of our company, the sale of most of our assets, or a bankruptcy. >Section 6.5 Except where explicitly stated to the contrary in this Policy, in some cases, particularly given the limited amount and type of information and data collected through omg.lol, we have not restricted contractors’ own use or disclosure of that information or data. We are not responsible for the conduct or policies of Stripe, or other contractors. INAL but that seems pretty cookie-cutter "Company is not ruling-out selling your data to others". https://home.omg.lol/info/legal https://home.omg.lol/info/legal

Arch485 3y ago
Also not a lawyer, but that sounds more like "if another company acquires us, we will give your info to them" and then separately "Stripe might sell your data; we're not responsible for them". Which is rotally reasonable/expected imho.
- computerex 3y ago
  >... we have not restricted contractors’ own use or disclosure of that information or data. We are not responsible for the conduct or policies of Stripe, or other contractors. I mean this seems pretty suspect for anyone privacy focused.
  - rusk 3y ago
    Also not legal in Europe where you absolutely are responsible for the actions of your processors
    - CaptArmchair 3y ago
      > Section 8.6 GDPR > Part b. omg.lol does not believe its processing of limited personal data of those outside the United States (if any) brings it within the jurisdiction of these laws. That's a hard disclaimer if there's any. I read that as: if you're a European user, we do not believe you can legally enforce us to honor your rights, even though we operate within the EEA.
      - ykonstant 3y ago
        This is very disappointing, and automatically dismisses omg.lol as an option for me as a researcher and educator.
        jacquesm 3y ago
        And is illegal to boot. If that's their attitude they should not allow Europeans to register in the first place because all it will do is set them up for a confrontation with the various Data Privacy Offices. And such wilful language rules out any apologies.
        CaptArmchair 3y ago
        More to the point, the GDPR is quite explicit on here as well: > Article 3.2 goes even further and applies the law to organizations that are not in the EU if two conditions are met: the organization offers goods or services to people in the EU, or the organization monitors their online behavior. (Article 3.3 refers to more unusual scenarios, such as in EU embassies.) https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ Which is pretty much what happens given that they allow EU citizens to buy a 20 USD subscription.
        3y ago
- underdeserver 3y ago
  Not a lawyer so I might be reading this wrong - but to me this says "We might sell the company to someone else, and they in turn might sell it to anyone", and that's a bit scarier.
  - arp242 3y ago
    You can't prevent that, not really. That "section 6.3" applies to every company, but these ToS are a bit more upfront about it.
    - mynameisash 3y ago
      > You can't prevent that, not really. Couldn't you simply codify in the ToS that PII or even most/all historical metadata would be scrubbed upon the sale of the company? IANAL, but I would assume that a company could commit themselves in the user agreement in such a way that it guarantees some protection against this kind of concern.
      - arp242 3y ago
        You can always change the terms of service; no one would really notice a detail like this. And things like email addresses are "PII", and maybe some more things that are required to actually run this business. So "scrub all PII" isn't really a very feasible thing to do in the first place.
    - actionfromafar 3y ago
      You can't prevent it, but you can make it a breach of contract. (Where the new buyer would breach the contract if passing data on.)
    - antiframe 3y ago
      Is forced selling a thing for sole proprietorships? Is including data in a sale forced? You can prevent that if you want two ways: 1) Don't sell the company 2) Sell the company sans data (destroy it first)
- jacquesm 3y ago
  No, that's not totally reasonable and expected. Change of control can be a valid reason for breaking open a previous arrangement, especially when that change of control negates the exact reason why people would join this to begin with. After all, if your data can be transferred at will to another entity due to a change of ownership and the agreement you made can then be annulled (because the new owners don't care about your privacy as much as the previous ones) then that's an end-run around the whole principle.
- cultureswitch 3y ago
  This is entirely unreasonable from the user's perspective.
JohnFen 3y ago
I love the idea of the service, but yes, those terms (and the commentary about the GDPR) are very strong showstoppers for me.
- SushiHippie 3y ago
  Oh wow, thank you for mentioning the GDPR bit!

stcredzero 3y ago

I really enjoy the latest trends when it comes to indieweb and digital gardens, people creating their own space instead of living on closed platforms The way I see the current day situation, re: Elon Musk's freedom of speech contingency tree -- If X/Twitter and other social media prospers, it's good for him and he wins. If those die and people rediscover, "people creating their own space instead of living on closed platforms," he wins as well.