7 ms·

Sorry, why would I pay 20/year bucks for this when I have my own website/infra?

james_pm 3y ago
I happily pay $20/year so I don't need to worry about it. Not everyone can or wants to run their own infra.
airstrike 3y ago
So that you don't have to worry about outages, updates, bugfixes, certs, permissions, vulnerabilities, ... like you do on your own website/infra?
- akho 3y ago
  It's the same infrastructure, with the same outages. The other points are something for the developers of your software distribution to worry about, same as if you buy a packaged service.
erxam 3y ago
Even without taking into account the time investment in maintaining your own infra, it compares favorably with everything else. Even the most dirt-cheap VPS is a few bucks more expensive on a yearly basis by itself, and you still have to buy domains and similar. Running your own infra only really works out if you either have access to great hardware for super-cheap or WANT the experience from setting everything up.
- cipheredStones 3y ago
  It consistently surprises me how much software engineers devalue the effort of software engineering when it comes to their personal lives. If you're a SWE in an English-speaking country, you almost certainly make $20 post-tax for at most one hour of work - 30m at SV salaries, as little as 15m if you're at a FAANG-ish company. Is it conceivable that you would spend less than an hour a year maintaining something like this if you were to do it yourself? I don't think so. Most people can't earn money in increments of one additional hour, of course, but it still sounds strange to hear people say "why should I spend [the amount of money I earn in half an hour] per year when I could just do it myself [with an amount of professional effort I would expect to be paid 20x as much for]?"
  - crims0n 3y ago
    I get where you are coming from, but I think the answer for a lot of us is... for the experience.
    - cipheredStones 3y ago
      That's a perfectly valid motivation, but if it's really what someone is going for, I expect to hear an objection that sounds something like "oh, that's cool! but I'd rather try out doing it myself" rather than the faintly contemptuous "why is this worth $X when I could do it myself".
  - akho 3y ago
    > Is it conceivable that you would spend less than an hour a year maintaining something like this if you were to do it yourself? I don't think so. Is it conceivable that that you would spend much more than an hour maintaining this? Including making your stuff fit the mold, working around the limitations, and, inevitably, moving your stuff to a new service when this one fails, as they do? Also: a VPS replaces quite a few of these services. Maintenance beyond initial setup and occasional update is rarely needed if you are the only user. People tend to overestimate these things.
  - uiberto 3y ago
    Didn't you know that everyone on HN bakes their own bread?
- jodrellblank 3y ago
  > "Even the most dirt-cheap VPS is a few bucks more expensive on a yearly basis by itself" Not if you get a Black Friday special; here[1] was $14.95/year for 40GB SSD, 1GB RAM, 1TB monthly bandwidth, 1CPU core. RackNerd were offering $10.28/year[2] for 10GB SSD storage, 768MB RAM. Hudson Valley offered $8/year[3] for 10GB SSD and 512MB RAM [1] https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/190984/from-14-95-yr-10-gbps-ssd-new-jersey-los-angeles-miami-openvz-many-payment-methods https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/190984/from-14-95-yr-10-gb... [2] https://lowendbox.com/best-cheap-vps-hosting-updated-2020/ https://lowendbox.com/best-cheap-vps-hosting-updated-2020/ (sold out) [3] https://lowendbox.com/blog/are-you-serious-hudson-valley-hosts-8-year-vps-offer-is-amazing/ https://lowendbox.com/blog/are-you-serious-hudson-valley-hos...
  - Cyberdog 3y ago
    As with many other things, I'd advise against picking a VPS plan based on price alone. I've found Vultr to be both affordable and of consistent quality for my modest needs (personal and business web hosting plus IRC bouncing). I pay about $5/mo or $60/year.
    - jodrellblank 3y ago
      That's fine, but the complaint was that a VPS is "a few dollars more [than $20/year]" as if that was an objectionable amount/increase. In that case, money is the main decider and $60 is much worse, and $8 is much better. People fighting for "a few dollars" a year are likely to be expecting (or unhappily tolerate) lower quality. I've had pretty good experiences of Linux VPSs for around $20/year from several companies.
  - tredre3 3y ago
    So to beat omg.lol's price you have to hunt for a bargain, then hope the price doesn't double in the following year? Oh, and you also need to own a domain already, otherwise it's an extra 10-20 bucks per year.
    - jodrellblank 3y ago
p4bl0 3y ago
If you have your own infrastructure to host all of these services then you're probably not the target audience. It's ok, it's my case too. But you have to admit that $20/year is quite cheap for all of what is provided here, without having to manage it all yourself, and with a "no trackers no bullshit" way of doing things. It's really the kind of services I don't need but would almost like to need! The last time I had this feeling was about Neocities :).
- footlose_3815 3y ago
  Github pages is free. A .info domain is $5/year. That's already more than half the features you get with this, and you get to be on the actual internet, not some dude's silo. As the post's age goes on, I see more criticism, and less positive reactions.
  - monkeywork 3y ago
    >That's already more than half the features you get with this, and you get to be on the actual internet, not some dude's silo. "the actual internet" ??
    - sedatk 3y ago
      > "the actual internet" ?? Microsoft's silo, they mean.
    - footlose_3815 3y ago
      Yes, the real internet where domain names don't cost $20, and where my stuff doesn't need to live on some dude's server. It's just someone else trying to do what Zuckerberg failed at. You're paying $20 to go a level-deeper into complexity on someone else's proprietary platform. It's not only going to fail, but it's a bad idea.
      - voxic11 3y ago
        Yeah instead of paying this guy, people should instead rely on the charity of big corporations like microsoft. Github pages are free and surely will remain that way forever without any strings attached!
dsr_ 3y ago
You are not the target audience.
zeekaran 3y ago
If I have to spend even one hour per year maintaining my own, this service is cheaper.
dannyw 3y ago
How much did you spend on your last lunch? Why did you pay 5x the price of ingredients?

I happily pay $20/year so I don't need to worry about it. Not everyone can or wants to run their own infra.

So that you don't have to worry about outages, updates, bugfixes, certs, permissions, vulnerabilities, ... like you do on your own website/infra?

akho 3y ago
It's the same infrastructure, with the same outages. The other points are something for the developers of your software distribution to worry about, same as if you buy a packaged service.

erxam 3y ago

Even without taking into account the time investment in maintaining your own infra, it compares favorably with everything else. Even the most dirt-cheap VPS is a few bucks more expensive on a yearly basis by itself, and you still have to buy domains and similar. Running your own infra only really works out if you either have access to great hardware for super-cheap or WANT the experience from setting everything up.

cipheredStones 3y ago
It consistently surprises me how much software engineers devalue the effort of software engineering when it comes to their personal lives. If you're a SWE in an English-speaking country, you almost certainly make $20 post-tax for at most one hour of work - 30m at SV salaries, as little as 15m if you're at a FAANG-ish company. Is it conceivable that you would spend less than an hour a year maintaining something like this if you were to do it yourself? I don't think so. Most people can't earn money in increments of one additional hour, of course, but it still sounds strange to hear people say "why should I spend [the amount of money I earn in half an hour] per year when I could just do it myself [with an amount of professional effort I would expect to be paid 20x as much for]?"
- crims0n 3y ago
  I get where you are coming from, but I think the answer for a lot of us is... for the experience.
  - cipheredStones 3y ago
    That's a perfectly valid motivation, but if it's really what someone is going for, I expect to hear an objection that sounds something like "oh, that's cool! but I'd rather try out doing it myself" rather than the faintly contemptuous "why is this worth $X when I could do it myself".
- akho 3y ago
  > Is it conceivable that you would spend less than an hour a year maintaining something like this if you were to do it yourself? I don't think so. Is it conceivable that that you would spend much more than an hour maintaining this? Including making your stuff fit the mold, working around the limitations, and, inevitably, moving your stuff to a new service when this one fails, as they do? Also: a VPS replaces quite a few of these services. Maintenance beyond initial setup and occasional update is rarely needed if you are the only user. People tend to overestimate these things.
- uiberto 3y ago
  Didn't you know that everyone on HN bakes their own bread?
jodrellblank 3y ago
> "Even the most dirt-cheap VPS is a few bucks more expensive on a yearly basis by itself" Not if you get a Black Friday special; here[1] was $14.95/year for 40GB SSD, 1GB RAM, 1TB monthly bandwidth, 1CPU core. RackNerd were offering $10.28/year[2] for 10GB SSD storage, 768MB RAM. Hudson Valley offered $8/year[3] for 10GB SSD and 512MB RAM [1] https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/190984/from-14-95-yr-10-gbps-ssd-new-jersey-los-angeles-miami-openvz-many-payment-methods https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/190984/from-14-95-yr-10-gb... [2] https://lowendbox.com/best-cheap-vps-hosting-updated-2020/ https://lowendbox.com/best-cheap-vps-hosting-updated-2020/ (sold out) [3] https://lowendbox.com/blog/are-you-serious-hudson-valley-hosts-8-year-vps-offer-is-amazing/ https://lowendbox.com/blog/are-you-serious-hudson-valley-hos...
- Cyberdog 3y ago
  As with many other things, I'd advise against picking a VPS plan based on price alone. I've found Vultr to be both affordable and of consistent quality for my modest needs (personal and business web hosting plus IRC bouncing). I pay about $5/mo or $60/year.
  - jodrellblank 3y ago
    That's fine, but the complaint was that a VPS is "a few dollars more [than $20/year]" as if that was an objectionable amount/increase. In that case, money is the main decider and $60 is much worse, and $8 is much better. People fighting for "a few dollars" a year are likely to be expecting (or unhappily tolerate) lower quality. I've had pretty good experiences of Linux VPSs for around $20/year from several companies.
- tredre3 3y ago
  So to beat omg.lol's price you have to hunt for a bargain, then hope the price doesn't double in the following year? Oh, and you also need to own a domain already, otherwise it's an extra 10-20 bucks per year.
  - jodrellblank 3y ago

p4bl0 3y ago

If you have your own infrastructure to host all of these services then you're probably not the target audience. It's ok, it's my case too. But you have to admit that $20/year is quite cheap for all of what is provided here, without having to manage it all yourself, and with a "no trackers no bullshit" way of doing things. It's really the kind of services I don't need but would almost like to need! The last time I had this feeling was about Neocities :).

footlose_3815 3y ago
Github pages is free. A .info domain is $5/year. That's already more than half the features you get with this, and you get to be on the actual internet, not some dude's silo. As the post's age goes on, I see more criticism, and less positive reactions.
- monkeywork 3y ago
  >That's already more than half the features you get with this, and you get to be on the actual internet, not some dude's silo. "the actual internet" ??
  - sedatk 3y ago
    > "the actual internet" ?? Microsoft's silo, they mean.
  - footlose_3815 3y ago
    Yes, the real internet where domain names don't cost $20, and where my stuff doesn't need to live on some dude's server. It's just someone else trying to do what Zuckerberg failed at. You're paying $20 to go a level-deeper into complexity on someone else's proprietary platform. It's not only going to fail, but it's a bad idea.
    - voxic11 3y ago
      Yeah instead of paying this guy, people should instead rely on the charity of big corporations like microsoft. Github pages are free and surely will remain that way forever without any strings attached!

dsr_ 3y ago

You are not the target audience.

zeekaran 3y ago

If I have to spend even one hour per year maintaining my own, this service is cheaper.

dannyw 3y ago

How much did you spend on your last lunch? Why did you pay 5x the price of ingredients?