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I suppose you’re talking about abortion rights, not the right to vote. Making a pretty sweeping claim about an entire state there…

bdcravens 3y ago
Some states have reputations based on their policies. As a lifelong Texan, many here refer to California with the same sweeping brush.
Pigalowda 3y ago
Yea it’s a bit weird on HN. Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and El Paso vote the way they want but get lumped in with rural populations they don’t like. For example seattle is liberal but Tacoma and Spokane are definitely not. I see huge Trump flags and trucks with trump stickers literally as soon as i drive out of seattle. The abortion issue in Texas is being driven by the current executive branch - and it won’t last. Unfortunate it’s happening this way instead of by referendum such as what happened with Kansas.
- dpkirchner 3y ago
  > The abortion issue in Texas is being driven by the current executive branch - and it won’t last. Chances are good it'll last long enough for people to become sterilized (or worse) due to an inability to get an abortion. That ought to be enough reason to avoid the state, especially when there are states where these sorts of laws would never even be considered.
  - Pigalowda 3y ago
    Ok then you should avoid it. I however will not.
- davidw 3y ago
  Spokane is blue-ish on this map: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-electio... The problem is that there are state level laws that apply even if you live in an enclave like Austin.
  - Pigalowda 3y ago
    Thats a nice little tool. Maybe it just feels red because the Trump supporters are so egregious. I’m not sure why this isn’t reflecting my experience here in person. Without a doubt seattle is liberal. But Tacoma and Spokane? I feel like I’m dissociating now
    - davidw 3y ago
      I'm sure Spokane is less liberal than Seattle, and it's also kind of an island if you look at that map. It doesn't take much driving to get you into pretty red areas.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  Tacoma and Spokane are definitely liberal. The outskirts of Spokane are not, however, and Spokane has a lot of people in its suburbs these days (incidentally, most eastern Washington cities are liberal, they just aren’t very big, Inslee even got his political start in Yakima). I have no idea why you listed Tacoma, it’s pretty much WA’s only soul city, but ya, you’ll find Trumpers in Kent, Puyallup, and all those small cities between Tacoma and Olympia/seattle. Incidentally, Bellevue used to be conservative also, and still is more so than Seattle, but it is even more immigrant heavy than Seattle is, and while Asians are both on average economically and socially conservative, they don’t like Republicans at all.
toddmorey 3y ago
As a longtime Texan—yes this state is completely insane.
bigbillheck 3y ago
> the right to vote. Texas is trying to mess with that too: https://www.texastribune.org/2023/09/11/texas-voting-laws-trial/ https://www.texastribune.org/2023/09/11/texas-voting-laws-tr...

bdcravens 3y ago

Some states have reputations based on their policies. As a lifelong Texan, many here refer to California with the same sweeping brush.

Pigalowda 3y ago

Yea it’s a bit weird on HN. Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and El Paso vote the way they want but get lumped in with rural populations they don’t like. For example seattle is liberal but Tacoma and Spokane are definitely not. I see huge Trump flags and trucks with trump stickers literally as soon as i drive out of seattle. The abortion issue in Texas is being driven by the current executive branch - and it won’t last. Unfortunate it’s happening this way instead of by referendum such as what happened with Kansas.

dpkirchner 3y ago
> The abortion issue in Texas is being driven by the current executive branch - and it won’t last. Chances are good it'll last long enough for people to become sterilized (or worse) due to an inability to get an abortion. That ought to be enough reason to avoid the state, especially when there are states where these sorts of laws would never even be considered.
- Pigalowda 3y ago
  Ok then you should avoid it. I however will not.
davidw 3y ago
Spokane is blue-ish on this map: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-electio... The problem is that there are state level laws that apply even if you live in an enclave like Austin.
- Pigalowda 3y ago
  Thats a nice little tool. Maybe it just feels red because the Trump supporters are so egregious. I’m not sure why this isn’t reflecting my experience here in person. Without a doubt seattle is liberal. But Tacoma and Spokane? I feel like I’m dissociating now
  - davidw 3y ago
    I'm sure Spokane is less liberal than Seattle, and it's also kind of an island if you look at that map. It doesn't take much driving to get you into pretty red areas.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
Tacoma and Spokane are definitely liberal. The outskirts of Spokane are not, however, and Spokane has a lot of people in its suburbs these days (incidentally, most eastern Washington cities are liberal, they just aren’t very big, Inslee even got his political start in Yakima). I have no idea why you listed Tacoma, it’s pretty much WA’s only soul city, but ya, you’ll find Trumpers in Kent, Puyallup, and all those small cities between Tacoma and Olympia/seattle. Incidentally, Bellevue used to be conservative also, and still is more so than Seattle, but it is even more immigrant heavy than Seattle is, and while Asians are both on average economically and socially conservative, they don’t like Republicans at all.

toddmorey 3y ago

As a longtime Texan—yes this state is completely insane.

bigbillheck 3y ago

> the right to vote. Texas is trying to mess with that too: https://www.texastribune.org/2023/09/11/texas-voting-laws-trial/ https://www.texastribune.org/2023/09/11/texas-voting-laws-tr...