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Forgive the bluntness but this is like suggesting that garbage men should be compensated over software engineers for having a nastier job. You get what you neg
by zemvpferreira 3y ago
Forgive the bluntness but this is like suggesting that garbage men should be compensated over software engineers for having a nastier job.
You get what you negotiate, not what you sacrifice. If you feel you should be paid extra for going to the office (I agree), demand so!
- candiddevmike 3y agoA recurring aspect of any injustice or inequality in the world is the folks affected by it are told to fix when they're almost always powerless to do so. If we can all agree that it's not fair for folks to commute unpaid, why is it fair to have the burden on them to "negotiate better"?
- riwsky 3y agoSoftware engineers are very often empowered to do so—and those few years of people switching jobs for better ones is what it looks like.
- foobarbecue 3y ago> garbage men should be compensated over software engineers for having a nastier job Honestly, I have always felt that this would be true in any reasonable society. I'm a software engineer and I frequently think about what an absurd power structure we manage to maintain, in which those of us fortunate enough to sit at desks can keep the lower classes oppressed in this way. It seems very unstable to me.
- marcosdumay 3y agoHum, it's not unstable at all. I do agree that there's something wrong. But the reason it's structured this way is exactly because it's stable. It is what you get by letting people settle with minimum interference.
- foobarbecue 3y agoSigh. I think you're right.
- GolfPopper 3y agoWhat scale to we measure stability on? How long has it been this way? Our current modus vivendi in the United States has existed for what, 80 years? 100 at most? 5 generations at the outside, and arguably far less.
- foobarbecue 3y agoThe pattern persists beyond and before the US, though.
- jazzyjackson 3y agogarbage handlers are not oppressed having less money than others doesn't make you oppressed
- whiddershins 3y agoDeeper than this, when I was a teen, guys tried to convince me to take the sanitation department test. Because it was such an awesome job (in their estimation) and so easy to get!
- erikerikson 3y agoThe differentiation between the collars is largely complexity and scope. Solving problems for a worldwide audience is possible in software but a garbage collector helps a region of town. Wages are completely eclipsed by wealth, a far more significant differentiator.
- jalapenos 3y agoWhat's stopping you being a garbage man?
- caslon 3y agoHow does that follow? "We treat these people poorly" isn't synonymous with, "Gee, I'd really like to be treated poorly."
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