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Before the pandemic, I was told by private equity people that if a job can be done from home, it can be done from India. And the job I had back then is now more

Before the pandemic, I was told by private equity people that if a job can be done from home, it can be done from India. And the job I had back then is now more or less done from India.

CapitalistCartr 3y ago
The job absolutely can be done from India. The location isn't the question; the right person is, and the sort of people who say that are the sort who suck at hiring, and don't care. "Hire cheap labor."
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pokepim 3y ago
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PhoenixReborn 3y ago
Thanks to an increasing supply of jobs in India, salaries have been rising at the top end of the market. In another 5-10 years, it won't be much cheaper to hire in India as compared to the US.
kibwen 3y ago
If they could, private equity people would reduce you and your family to chattel slavery and Fargo you into a woodchipper when your wasted body finally gives out. They're the problem, not remote work.
- xkekjrktllss 3y ago
  Private equity is an inevitability of a financialised capitalist economy, so what are you suggesting? Some sort of vigilante justice?
  - kibwen 3y ago
    There are innumerable ways to avert the worst iniquities of private equity without going Full Communist Revolution. Of course, the longer that plutocrats try to wring the system dry, the more likely the latter is to happen, but I suppose it would be incoherent of me to expect private equity to understand the concept of thinking in the long-term.
    - heyoni 3y ago
      That’s the problem right there. We never try to solve problems until it can’t be ignored. We’re tackling economic inequity the same way as global warming; by mostly ignoring it.
      - smabie 3y ago
        Well you don't know it's a real problem until it cannot be ignored.
        heyoni 3y ago
        I get what you’re saying but that’s not really true, is it? You can ignore social injustice, economic inequality and environmental harm but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a problem. In fact, one might even argue that just because the decision makers can ignore a certain problem, it doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t impossible to ignore by a large swathe of the population.
        solumunus 3y ago
        That makes no sense. I know it’s a real problem.
    - xkekjrktllss 3y ago
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      - solumunus 3y ago
        The people who end up at the top will be just as prone to the trappings of power and wealth as the capitalists. It’s human nature.
- modernpink 3y ago
  That sounds like efficient market allocation of resources. There is no inherent reason you deserve to live in luxury as most do in the West unless you've contributed to society.
  - kibwen 3y ago
    > There is no inherent reason you deserve to live in luxury as most do in the West unless you've contributed to society. I'd certainly love to apply this logic to our wannabe-aristocracy, whose sole contribution to society is gormlessly doling out access to the capital that they fell ass-backwards into without any merit on their part.
jodrellblank 3y ago
Any job that can be done in an office, can be done in an office in India - does that not hold?
- jmye 3y ago
  Of course not, unless you move the entire office and all roles. It’s like you’re intentionally missing the point (or at least the stated reason) behind returning folks to the office. To be clear, this is not a defense of RTO policies.
  - jodrellblank 3y ago
    > "Of course not, unless you move the entire office and all roles." Yes, do that. If you can close down one role and replace it with an Indian in India doing that role cheaper, then with the same logic you can close down the entire office and replace it with an office of Indians in India doing those roles, cheaper. Somehow, the first applies and is used a threat for return to office, but the second 'magically' doesn't apply. If you need to keep westerners doing the jobs for any reason, and you can't outsource those tasks to India for any reason, then the people may as well be westerners WFH.
    - jmye 3y ago
      Exec leadership/management doesn't want to move to India, therefore moving the whole office is a ridiculous non-sequitur that has absolutely nothing to do with the ease of moving a few roles or role-sets. This isn’t a complicated thing to understand. Pretending this isn’t the case because you really want to be angry at me or as a reason to riff on whatever form of Management Bad this is, is weird, but you do you.
      - jodrellblank 3y ago
        Why would they have to move? Are there no Indians who can lead, be executives, manage a team, run an office? Replacing a WFH role with the same role in India doesn't involve the WFH person moving to India.
hunter-gatherer 3y ago
That's actually sort of what I'm witnessing happening in my workplace. They day they are onky getting the most qualified candidates, but it has been a while since we've seen a "qualified" new hire from.anywhere but India.
Der_Einzige 3y ago
The Indian workers you want are either poached by quality h1-b visa giving US companies (Intel, apple) or are already working for FAANG offices in India, those Indians also want and get US caliber pay. You’re welcome to try to use TCS/Infosys or worse places to outsource, but the results will be predictable.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  Ah, so I wasn't even replaced by the good Indians. Not so great for the ol self esteem.

Before the pandemic, I was told by private equity people that if a job can be done from home, it can be done from India. And the job I had back then is now more or less done from India.

CapitalistCartr 3y ago

The job absolutely can be done from India. The location isn't the question; the right person is, and the sort of people who say that are the sort who suck at hiring, and don't care. "Hire cheap labor."

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pokepim 3y ago

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PhoenixReborn 3y ago

Thanks to an increasing supply of jobs in India, salaries have been rising at the top end of the market. In another 5-10 years, it won't be much cheaper to hire in India as compared to the US.

kibwen 3y ago

If they could, private equity people would reduce you and your family to chattel slavery and Fargo you into a woodchipper when your wasted body finally gives out. They're the problem, not remote work.

xkekjrktllss 3y ago
Private equity is an inevitability of a financialised capitalist economy, so what are you suggesting? Some sort of vigilante justice?
- kibwen 3y ago
  There are innumerable ways to avert the worst iniquities of private equity without going Full Communist Revolution. Of course, the longer that plutocrats try to wring the system dry, the more likely the latter is to happen, but I suppose it would be incoherent of me to expect private equity to understand the concept of thinking in the long-term.
  - heyoni 3y ago
    That’s the problem right there. We never try to solve problems until it can’t be ignored. We’re tackling economic inequity the same way as global warming; by mostly ignoring it.
    - smabie 3y ago
      Well you don't know it's a real problem until it cannot be ignored.
      - heyoni 3y ago
        I get what you’re saying but that’s not really true, is it? You can ignore social injustice, economic inequality and environmental harm but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a problem. In fact, one might even argue that just because the decision makers can ignore a certain problem, it doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t impossible to ignore by a large swathe of the population.
      - solumunus 3y ago
        That makes no sense. I know it’s a real problem.
  - xkekjrktllss 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - solumunus 3y ago
      The people who end up at the top will be just as prone to the trappings of power and wealth as the capitalists. It’s human nature.
modernpink 3y ago
That sounds like efficient market allocation of resources. There is no inherent reason you deserve to live in luxury as most do in the West unless you've contributed to society.
- kibwen 3y ago
  > There is no inherent reason you deserve to live in luxury as most do in the West unless you've contributed to society. I'd certainly love to apply this logic to our wannabe-aristocracy, whose sole contribution to society is gormlessly doling out access to the capital that they fell ass-backwards into without any merit on their part.

jodrellblank 3y ago

Any job that can be done in an office, can be done in an office in India - does that not hold?

jmye 3y ago
Of course not, unless you move the entire office and all roles. It’s like you’re intentionally missing the point (or at least the stated reason) behind returning folks to the office. To be clear, this is not a defense of RTO policies.
- jodrellblank 3y ago
  > "Of course not, unless you move the entire office and all roles." Yes, do that. If you can close down one role and replace it with an Indian in India doing that role cheaper, then with the same logic you can close down the entire office and replace it with an office of Indians in India doing those roles, cheaper. Somehow, the first applies and is used a threat for return to office, but the second 'magically' doesn't apply. If you need to keep westerners doing the jobs for any reason, and you can't outsource those tasks to India for any reason, then the people may as well be westerners WFH.
  - jmye 3y ago
    Exec leadership/management doesn't want to move to India, therefore moving the whole office is a ridiculous non-sequitur that has absolutely nothing to do with the ease of moving a few roles or role-sets. This isn’t a complicated thing to understand. Pretending this isn’t the case because you really want to be angry at me or as a reason to riff on whatever form of Management Bad this is, is weird, but you do you.
    - jodrellblank 3y ago
      Why would they have to move? Are there no Indians who can lead, be executives, manage a team, run an office? Replacing a WFH role with the same role in India doesn't involve the WFH person moving to India.

hunter-gatherer 3y ago

That's actually sort of what I'm witnessing happening in my workplace. They day they are onky getting the most qualified candidates, but it has been a while since we've seen a "qualified" new hire from.anywhere but India.

Der_Einzige 3y ago

The Indian workers you want are either poached by quality h1-b visa giving US companies (Intel, apple) or are already working for FAANG offices in India, those Indians also want and get US caliber pay. You’re welcome to try to use TCS/Infosys or worse places to outsource, but the results will be predictable.

hotpotamus 3y ago
Ah, so I wasn't even replaced by the good Indians. Not so great for the ol self esteem.