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This is a joke right? Most remote companies still have timezone restrictions, and the closest places to outsource from America in terms of timezone generally h

by diob 3y ago

This is a joke right? Most remote companies still have timezone restrictions, and the closest places to outsource from America in terms of timezone generally have great worker protections (aka, hard to fire). For the most part, you'll find American companies that are remote are simply hiring from all over America, not the world.

api 3y ago
Also really good developers overseas are not that much cheaper, especially when you add the cost of hiring and managing that far away.
- voisin 3y ago
  This is just not remotely true. I am not sure what you are referring to but even between the US and Canada it is completely incorrect, let alone Eastern Europe and the US. What are you possibly talking about?
- geodel 3y ago
  The operating phrase is really good developers. Because most companies are just churning out basic CRUD micro services. Infact companies emphasis on standardized frameworks is part of this trend. It makes rather easy to replace one dev with another. Companies can and are using vast quantities of developers at far away locations.
  - api 3y ago
    Those jobs are most likely to be replaced by AI or by skilled developers using AI as a force multiplier. I already know developers using AI successfully to automate boilerplate and routine code generation, leaving them more free to spend time on the hard stuff. AI is cheaper than outsourced labor.
jmye 3y ago
Most remote companies don’t need time zone restrictions, and many Indian contractors are already working weird schedules to at least partially align with US time zones. I don’t expect that every company can outsource every WFH job, but the idea that they can’t because it might make a conference call hard is, frankly, rank nonsense.
andrei_says_ 3y ago
On paper, sure. I have fired offshore teams and hired US ones because I prefer people who think, care, look at the big picture, share their experience, and write quality working software, once. Offshore software felt like someone building a car by spotwelding everything together for record times.

by diob 3y ago

api 3y ago

Also really good developers overseas are not that much cheaper, especially when you add the cost of hiring and managing that far away.

voisin 3y ago
This is just not remotely true. I am not sure what you are referring to but even between the US and Canada it is completely incorrect, let alone Eastern Europe and the US. What are you possibly talking about?
geodel 3y ago
The operating phrase is really good developers. Because most companies are just churning out basic CRUD micro services. Infact companies emphasis on standardized frameworks is part of this trend. It makes rather easy to replace one dev with another. Companies can and are using vast quantities of developers at far away locations.
- api 3y ago
  Those jobs are most likely to be replaced by AI or by skilled developers using AI as a force multiplier. I already know developers using AI successfully to automate boilerplate and routine code generation, leaving them more free to spend time on the hard stuff. AI is cheaper than outsourced labor.

jmye 3y ago

Most remote companies don’t need time zone restrictions, and many Indian contractors are already working weird schedules to at least partially align with US time zones. I don’t expect that every company can outsource every WFH job, but the idea that they can’t because it might make a conference call hard is, frankly, rank nonsense.

andrei_says_ 3y ago

On paper, sure. I have fired offshore teams and hired US ones because I prefer people who think, care, look at the big picture, share their experience, and write quality working software, once. Offshore software felt like someone building a car by spotwelding everything together for record times.