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Your argument is based on the terms of a conceptual social contract which is ill defined and not universal. You seem convinced that your system of values are t
by virtual_void 3y ago
Your argument is based on the terms of a conceptual social contract which is ill defined and not universal.
You seem convinced that your system of values are the same set everyone else has. That doesn’t make for a useful argument.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoIt’s actually very important that we agree on the structure of the social contract, and this is not “my” system at all, but a description of the system we both rely on to not get stabbed in the street for our lunch money.
- virtual_void 3y agoAre you are relying on that terminology because you believe piracy to actually be stealing? Depriving a person of something they already own.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoNope, stealing involves depravation.
- virtual_void 3y agoThen which specific thing in your conception of the social contact are you equating piracy with? The post states that piracy isn’t stealing and you agree. There must be some other thing in your mind that is equivalent.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoIt’s called trespass, I believe the legal phrase is “trespass of chattel” but IANALY.
- virtual_void 3y agoNo, that tort specifically relates to depriving someone of, otherwise damaging their property. We've agreed it's not stealing. We've agreed that not all piracy is immoral, for some definition of immoral. I think we can agree that this specific tort does not apply. Which specific thing in the social contract, some simple verb such as "stealing" are you equating piracy with. Then we'll have something concrete to discuss I think.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoWe don't have to discuss anything if you don't like, you replied to me. Also that's not what trespass means. You don't "deprive" someone of their land when you walk on it without permission, and you don't "deprive" someone of their song when you pirate it.
- virtual_void 3y agoApologies, I wasn’t suggesting i was closing down the conversation. I am trying to find a specific thing in the social contract that you feel is violated. We agree it’s not stealing it seems. Re trespass, that’s not what the specific tort you referred to means. A chattel is a moveable form of property. You’re talking about the colloquial version of trespass. Happy to talk about that conception of it. Is the idea of trespass the specific thing you feel is being violated in the social contract? If not, what is?
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoI don't enjoy your tone; it's not what I feel that matters. What matters is what is or isn't the case.
- Capricorn2481 3y agoThey are being extremely courteous to you, what tone are you even speaking of? Any perceived hostility is completely made up in your head.
- Jochim 3y agoThere's nothing social about intellectual property law. It's been shaped by and to the benefit of corporations who would have us paying royalties to the descendants of the man who "invented" the wheel if they had their way. It goes entirely against how humans think, strangling creativity and innovation. An artist is harmed far more when they're forced to spend years in court, debating whether their chord progression is too similar to a song written by someone who's been dead for 50 years.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoCouldn’t disagree more; IP is the only way we could have found to properly compensate creators for the value of their work. To throw out intellectual property is to throw out art itself.
- justinclift 3y agoHmmm, how much real world exposure to art do you actually have? Have you ever actually published anything for others to purchase?
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoLots and yes.
- justinclift 3y agoExamples?
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoYou first.
- justinclift 3y agoI've not claimed I had, whereas you have made that claim. So, evidence please. :)