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This is a wake-up call. It's high time we demand open-source messaging standards across all platforms. Imagine a world where communication isn't dictated by cor

by z7 3y ago

This is a wake-up call. It's high time we demand open-source messaging standards across all platforms. Imagine a world where communication isn't dictated by corporate interests but by user needs and innovation.

madeofpalk 3y ago
There actually a bunch of competition for messaging apps, which put forward user needs and drives innovation though.
schrodinger 3y ago
Apple is probably the company that most has my interests at heart: they're very privacy focused, masterful at encryption and making it simple, and makes products I love. Do you really think they're the worlds most valuable company because of "corporate interests" and not because people like their products?
- doublerabbit 3y ago
  > Apple is probably the company that most has my interests at heart: they're very privacy focused, masterful at encryption and making it simple, and makes products I love. Apple is a business, they have no users interests at heart. They may be very privacy focused, and maybe masterful at encryption but for sure they do not make products I love. Their instant change of UI, forceful updates and territoriality behaviour are some of the toxic behaviours that drive me mad. As the same of Google. After Google banning my email for "non-inclusive" reasons wolfcub@gmail.com when I was 17, I will never return. So within mobile, while only real alternative is Apple. Apart from my computer which is FreeBSD which will soon to be Haiku once it matures. I just couldn't get everything working with OpenIndiana and how I wanted it to be.
  - schrodinger 3y ago
    We can all have our preferences. But I love having a very fast laptop that lasts 18 hours on a single charge, for under $1,000, with a high-dpi screen. My Macbook Air M1 is a product I and a lot of people love.
    - doublerabbit 3y ago
      I'm sure, and I'm not one to launch flame at those who do love. If it works for them, great! I'm glad those find pleasure in them. They have pros/cons, as does cloud services which stems off for me in to another dislike. I'm used to my own ways, as everyone else is. There's not much else I can say to the discussion but just wanted to reiterate my point that I'm not hating others for the reason but just disliking for the reasons. I've never been a laptop fan. With awkward hands, handheld consoles, controllers, laptops have never jelled for me. Yet constantly disappointed for that they've have never been taken catered for. As VR with glasses, Netflix non-continuing content I enjoy; everything I seem to enjoy just vanishes. Sad, as after experiencing tech at such a young age with so much potential; for it to be regurgitated to how it is, singular devices makes it depressing. I must be a niche but I just assume companies have to cater to the majority, for which I'm not one.
      - schrodinger 3y ago
        I was only giving an example of an Apple product that _I_ love, and can just as easily described my iPhone, except I think and Android is probably just as good, or very close, where the Macbook Air's leaped ahead of competition. But anyway, this is only _my_ beloved product, and I certainly hadn't even considered a disability that would get in the way, and apologize for my ignorance. I hope you can find some setup that works well for you specifically that you end up loving :) Truly sorry—certainly didn't mean to offend.
        doublerabbit 3y ago
        Oh, no offence taken at all. If anything it's something I've been willing to express found the right time to comment. I'm not psychically disabled as I have no deformities, have fingers which work but it just seems that any portable device I use gives me hand cramps or just not enough room to flow. It would just be nice for the factory default to just be usable. Thank you.
  - schrodinger 3y ago
    Btw I can totally understand your point. If I wasn't happy with the choices that Apple "made for me" I'd be on your side here. And getting blocked for that gmail address is ridiculous! Just trying to find common ground—I think you're reasonable for disliking Apple for blocking an other-platform iMessage clone, but I also understand some logical reasons for it and am ok with it. I hope that we can all have our preferences without hostility (not that I'm accusing you of it, but these convos often degenerate into it imo). Hope you're having a great day :)
sbuk 3y ago
> It's high time we demand open-source messaging standards across all platforms. What, like this https://github.com/signalapp https://github.com/signalapp? The only thing holding this back are end users. Not corporations or governments. A safe, vetable 'standard' exists, it just needs ratifying by a standards body. It is available cross platform and is free of charge and free-as-in-beer (mostly AGPL I believe). Messages app exists to send SMS, MMS and soon RCS. Apple developed a convenience feature that allows users to send enhanced messages to other users of the platform. Since the platform is successful and has had compelling and useful features added, it has found popularity in territories that traditionally had free or cheap SMS bundles. The rest of the world didn't have this golden noose and settled on other platforms (WhatsApp, FB Messenger, Telegram, Line, WeChat, Signal, Viber, etc...) across all platforms. Edited spelling/layout.
- greyface- 3y ago
  Signal isn't a protocol; it's a centralized service that wants you to use their official client only. The Signal Foundation gets weird and starts making trademark threats whenever someone makes moves towards interoperability (see e.g. https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issuecomment-217211165 https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issueco...).
  - foobiekr 3y ago
    It isn't weird, its completely straightforward why this is a problem.
- globular-toast 3y ago
  Nope. You can't blame uses for this. The reason we have governments at all is because individuals all operating independently cannot get out of local optima like this
  - sbuk 3y ago
    I can and I did - installing alternatives is easy, as is using them, as proven by literally the rest of the world oustside of North America. In fact, free and open alternatives exist.
MBCook 3y ago
Tell me when Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Line, WeChat, and all the others are opened. Oh right. No one cares. Apple’s iMessage is the only one a large number of people seem to care about. I’ve never seen anyone call for opening the others. But Apple? Constantly.

by z7 3y ago

madeofpalk 3y ago

There actually a bunch of competition for messaging apps, which put forward user needs and drives innovation though.

schrodinger 3y ago

Apple is probably the company that most has my interests at heart: they're very privacy focused, masterful at encryption and making it simple, and makes products I love. Do you really think they're the worlds most valuable company because of "corporate interests" and not because people like their products?

doublerabbit 3y ago
> Apple is probably the company that most has my interests at heart: they're very privacy focused, masterful at encryption and making it simple, and makes products I love. Apple is a business, they have no users interests at heart. They may be very privacy focused, and maybe masterful at encryption but for sure they do not make products I love. Their instant change of UI, forceful updates and territoriality behaviour are some of the toxic behaviours that drive me mad. As the same of Google. After Google banning my email for "non-inclusive" reasons wolfcub@gmail.com when I was 17, I will never return. So within mobile, while only real alternative is Apple. Apart from my computer which is FreeBSD which will soon to be Haiku once it matures. I just couldn't get everything working with OpenIndiana and how I wanted it to be.
- schrodinger 3y ago
  We can all have our preferences. But I love having a very fast laptop that lasts 18 hours on a single charge, for under $1,000, with a high-dpi screen. My Macbook Air M1 is a product I and a lot of people love.
  - doublerabbit 3y ago
    I'm sure, and I'm not one to launch flame at those who do love. If it works for them, great! I'm glad those find pleasure in them. They have pros/cons, as does cloud services which stems off for me in to another dislike. I'm used to my own ways, as everyone else is. There's not much else I can say to the discussion but just wanted to reiterate my point that I'm not hating others for the reason but just disliking for the reasons. I've never been a laptop fan. With awkward hands, handheld consoles, controllers, laptops have never jelled for me. Yet constantly disappointed for that they've have never been taken catered for. As VR with glasses, Netflix non-continuing content I enjoy; everything I seem to enjoy just vanishes. Sad, as after experiencing tech at such a young age with so much potential; for it to be regurgitated to how it is, singular devices makes it depressing. I must be a niche but I just assume companies have to cater to the majority, for which I'm not one.
    - schrodinger 3y ago
      I was only giving an example of an Apple product that _I_ love, and can just as easily described my iPhone, except I think and Android is probably just as good, or very close, where the Macbook Air's leaped ahead of competition. But anyway, this is only _my_ beloved product, and I certainly hadn't even considered a disability that would get in the way, and apologize for my ignorance. I hope you can find some setup that works well for you specifically that you end up loving :) Truly sorry—certainly didn't mean to offend.
      - doublerabbit 3y ago
        Oh, no offence taken at all. If anything it's something I've been willing to express found the right time to comment. I'm not psychically disabled as I have no deformities, have fingers which work but it just seems that any portable device I use gives me hand cramps or just not enough room to flow. It would just be nice for the factory default to just be usable. Thank you.
- schrodinger 3y ago
  Btw I can totally understand your point. If I wasn't happy with the choices that Apple "made for me" I'd be on your side here. And getting blocked for that gmail address is ridiculous! Just trying to find common ground—I think you're reasonable for disliking Apple for blocking an other-platform iMessage clone, but I also understand some logical reasons for it and am ok with it. I hope that we can all have our preferences without hostility (not that I'm accusing you of it, but these convos often degenerate into it imo). Hope you're having a great day :)

sbuk 3y ago

> It's high time we demand open-source messaging standards across all platforms. What, like this https://github.com/signalapp https://github.com/signalapp? The only thing holding this back are end users. Not corporations or governments. A safe, vetable 'standard' exists, it just needs ratifying by a standards body. It is available cross platform and is free of charge and free-as-in-beer (mostly AGPL I believe). Messages app exists to send SMS, MMS and soon RCS. Apple developed a convenience feature that allows users to send enhanced messages to other users of the platform. Since the platform is successful and has had compelling and useful features added, it has found popularity in territories that traditionally had free or cheap SMS bundles. The rest of the world didn't have this golden noose and settled on other platforms (WhatsApp, FB Messenger, Telegram, Line, WeChat, Signal, Viber, etc...) across all platforms. Edited spelling/layout.

greyface- 3y ago
Signal isn't a protocol; it's a centralized service that wants you to use their official client only. The Signal Foundation gets weird and starts making trademark threats whenever someone makes moves towards interoperability (see e.g. https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issuecomment-217211165 https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issueco...).
- foobiekr 3y ago
  It isn't weird, its completely straightforward why this is a problem.
globular-toast 3y ago
Nope. You can't blame uses for this. The reason we have governments at all is because individuals all operating independently cannot get out of local optima like this
- sbuk 3y ago
  I can and I did - installing alternatives is easy, as is using them, as proven by literally the rest of the world oustside of North America. In fact, free and open alternatives exist.

MBCook 3y ago

Tell me when Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Line, WeChat, and all the others are opened. Oh right. No one cares. Apple’s iMessage is the only one a large number of people seem to care about. I’ve never seen anyone call for opening the others. But Apple? Constantly.