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Coming from Europe and living in the US for the last couple of years, I'm shocked at how society here is clearly pro-israel. It is very clear that in the US th

Coming from Europe and living in the US for the last couple of years, I'm shocked at how society here is clearly pro-israel. It is very clear that in the US the life of an israel citizen is valued way above the one of a palestinian. It is sad to lose that level of humanity. all of the discourse also conveniently ignores that Israel created a large-scale open-air prison in Gaza and removed any hope left for people living there.

marcell 3y ago
It seems like Hamas values one Palestinian less than one Israeli. This is based on prisoner exchanges. Hamas gives up one Israeli prisoner for more than one Palestinian. Most recently it was 2:1, but historically it was 100:1 or more.
- timeagain 3y ago
  This is silly right? It isn’t like Hamas demanded this ratio, or that they forced Israel to accept. Should Hamas refuse out of principle if Israel gave them prisoners for free? On the contrary it seems more like a power play on Israel’s part. “Take our prisoners we will just defeat them again!”
  - HDThoreaun 3y ago
    > It isn’t like Hamas demanded this ratio thats exactly what its like. If israel wanted their hostages back they needed to give up twice as many palestinian prisoners.
HDThoreaun 3y ago
I think a lot of Americans either consciously or subconciosuly see the similarity between Israel's situation and the US's with regards to the natives. If there was a native independence movement that resorted to terrorism the us would flatten every reservation in the country.
- aprilthird2021 3y ago
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- Georgelemental 3y ago
  There's definitely a similarity, but no, modern US would not behave like modern Israel is behaving. Our response to the 2020 riots was extremely hands-off relative to the level of violence of the rioters (who, in one instance, took cobtrol by force of a section of a major US city, declared secession, and held the area for several days [0]). [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protes...
  - HDThoreaun 3y ago
    The 2020 riots were nowhere close to October 7th. You think that if a native american separatist group committed a 9/11 level attack the US response would be "hand off"?
    - Georgelemental 3y ago
      We would have responded with much more force, but we would not have carpet-bombed Arizona. We didn't send out the bombers after Oklahoma City, either.
      - pxc 3y ago
        There was the MOVE bombing in Philadelphia. If there were indigenous guerilla forces with popular bases of support in some reservations I don't doubt that we'd see the use of bombs and tanks.
  - loeg 3y ago
    The Cap Hill protests in Seattle had nothing in common with October 7. The police just abandoned the east precinct after fighting with protesters for a few nights in a row. No one shot at them or took hostages. Certainly some rocks were thrown. And the police responded in force. Left wing and right wing people from places across the country that aren't Seattle make way more out of "CHOP" than it was.
YeBanKo 3y ago
For someone, who is coming from Europe it strange, that you did not notice a slow, but steady rise in right politics in Europe, but was very quick to notice the US bias.
pxc 3y ago
Israel is the United States' colonial outpost and our leaders know it. Our press knows it. That influences the public discourse, especially that which flows from official channels and major news outlets. And Israel has a huge lobby here to reinforce all that. There's a religious dimension, too. Some kinds of Protestants see a modern Jewish state in Palestine as a precondition for the Second Coming of Christ, and actively want to urge that by supporting Israel. This is very common among religious fundamentalists in much of the US.
- pxc 3y ago
  This is, by the way, exactly what President Biden was getting at on the Senate floor decades before his presidency when he said that 'if Israel did not exist, the United States would have had to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM
skininthegame 3y ago
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marcell 3y ago

It seems like Hamas values one Palestinian less than one Israeli. This is based on prisoner exchanges. Hamas gives up one Israeli prisoner for more than one Palestinian. Most recently it was 2:1, but historically it was 100:1 or more.

timeagain 3y ago
This is silly right? It isn’t like Hamas demanded this ratio, or that they forced Israel to accept. Should Hamas refuse out of principle if Israel gave them prisoners for free? On the contrary it seems more like a power play on Israel’s part. “Take our prisoners we will just defeat them again!”
- HDThoreaun 3y ago
  > It isn’t like Hamas demanded this ratio thats exactly what its like. If israel wanted their hostages back they needed to give up twice as many palestinian prisoners.

HDThoreaun 3y ago

I think a lot of Americans either consciously or subconciosuly see the similarity between Israel's situation and the US's with regards to the natives. If there was a native independence movement that resorted to terrorism the us would flatten every reservation in the country.

aprilthird2021 3y ago
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Georgelemental 3y ago
There's definitely a similarity, but no, modern US would not behave like modern Israel is behaving. Our response to the 2020 riots was extremely hands-off relative to the level of violence of the rioters (who, in one instance, took cobtrol by force of a section of a major US city, declared secession, and held the area for several days [0]). [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protes...
- HDThoreaun 3y ago
  The 2020 riots were nowhere close to October 7th. You think that if a native american separatist group committed a 9/11 level attack the US response would be "hand off"?
  - Georgelemental 3y ago
    We would have responded with much more force, but we would not have carpet-bombed Arizona. We didn't send out the bombers after Oklahoma City, either.
    - pxc 3y ago
      There was the MOVE bombing in Philadelphia. If there were indigenous guerilla forces with popular bases of support in some reservations I don't doubt that we'd see the use of bombs and tanks.
- loeg 3y ago
  The Cap Hill protests in Seattle had nothing in common with October 7. The police just abandoned the east precinct after fighting with protesters for a few nights in a row. No one shot at them or took hostages. Certainly some rocks were thrown. And the police responded in force. Left wing and right wing people from places across the country that aren't Seattle make way more out of "CHOP" than it was.

YeBanKo 3y ago

For someone, who is coming from Europe it strange, that you did not notice a slow, but steady rise in right politics in Europe, but was very quick to notice the US bias.

pxc 3y ago

Israel is the United States' colonial outpost and our leaders know it. Our press knows it. That influences the public discourse, especially that which flows from official channels and major news outlets. And Israel has a huge lobby here to reinforce all that. There's a religious dimension, too. Some kinds of Protestants see a modern Jewish state in Palestine as a precondition for the Second Coming of Christ, and actively want to urge that by supporting Israel. This is very common among religious fundamentalists in much of the US.

pxc 3y ago
This is, by the way, exactly what President Biden was getting at on the Senate floor decades before his presidency when he said that 'if Israel did not exist, the United States would have had to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM

skininthegame 3y ago

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