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I would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 requiring a specific hardware. I'll stick to Windows 10, when it dies, I'll probably force myself to switch to

I would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 requiring a specific hardware. I'll stick to Windows 10, when it dies, I'll probably force myself to switch to Fedora or something.

croisillon 3y ago
i'm hanging to w10 too and plan on switching to linux
sonicanatidae 3y ago
You can run Win11 on non-compliant hardware. Check out Rufus.
- dingdingdang 3y ago
  Can vouch for this option. Works reliably but still worth disconnecting internet to make sure local account creation is easily available.
  - encom 3y ago
    That won't do it any more. Now you have to invoke a command prompt on setup and run some commands to bypass online account requirement. Until they close that loophole also. Absolute turd of an OS. In only have it on a separate partition for games that wont run on Proton.
    - sonicanatidae 3y ago
      Setup /product server
therealmarv 3y ago
And we all know this a limit made on purpose (by a marketing team?). They probably could use this additional hardware everytime it's available on new PCs and allow a kind of legacy mode for Windows 11 on old PCs. But hey, some marketing genius came up with the idea to sell Windows 10 ESU (Extended Security Updates) membership to end consumers this time.
- IntelMiner 3y ago
  Windows 11's hardware requirements were made to coincide with CPU's that had hardware mitigation for Meltdown and Spectre attacks, as part of their attempt to push the general baseline of security for average users
  - technion 3y ago
    I've seen this argument from Ms a lot but let's be real, of the ways typical home windows users are compromised spectre isn't a thing, and isn't hasn't done a thing about, for example, how readily windows let's attackers make a script look like an image .
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    But I couldn't possibly care less about Meltdown and Spectre. It's not clear why anyone does, unless they are running a cloud provider. In fact, history suggests that the malicious actor who is most likely to hose my PC or otherwise interfere with my workflow is.... Microsoft.
    - IntelMiner 3y ago
      And a lot of other users "couldn't possibly care less" about downloading MP3.EXE files off Limewire other users today "couldn't possibly care less" about keeping their systems updated let alone running any kind of Anti-Virus Unfortunately throwing its hands up and saying "nobody cares so why bother" isn't really a great look for a software vendor
      - CamperBob2 3y ago
        Show me a single Meltdown or Spectre exploit that has affected real users. Can't? Then you're just selling tiger-proof rocks. Expensive ones.
        IntelMiner 3y ago
        "Everything is working, what do I even pay you for!"
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well. I've also noticed that if you build the ISO yourself via UUP dump[1], instead of using the official ISO from Microsoft, then you get a bare start menu with no bloatware or ads, just Explorer and Edge. Nice. [1] https://uupdump.net/ https://uupdump.net/
- Alifatisk 3y ago
  > You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well. Oh, because the update button in the settings says my hardware does not meet the requirements.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    I meant if you do a clean install via UUP dump generated ISO or a Rufus modified ISO, then it bypassed the TPM check. Updating an existing install on non compliant HW via the official update button obviously doesn't work (unless there's some hacks for it that came out, I don't know I always do a clean install between major versions since I don't want all the years of cruft and changes from one version to be carried over and maybe mess up something).
    - Alifatisk 3y ago
      > Updating an existing install on non compliant HW via the official update button > do a clean install via UUP dump generated ISO or a Rufus modified ISO, then it bypassed the TPM check I'll have backup my stuff before a clean install then, not ready yet but thanks for the guide! I'll do it when I get the time.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        BTW, IIRC if you go the UUP dump route, then you should also be able to run the windows 11 installer directly from windows 10 after you mount the generated ISO so maybe you can indeed run the update instead of clean install. I did the update that way on a tablet, but that had TPM but no official Windows 11 support.
taspeotis 3y ago
Just run it anyway? Even 23H2 works on an old Intel i5-6500 I put it on for shits and giggs. Had to download an “enablement package” to get it to upgrade in-place from 22H2 but there’s a big community of people doing this and it was as difficult as “click this link which downloads the exe direct from Microsoft.”
dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago
I would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 having the option to ungroup tasks removed. I heard the rumor they would bring it back one day, but this day hasn't arrived yet.
- zamadatix 3y ago
  This arrived a couple months ago.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago
    Do you have any source for that? Because I check every update my org rolls out and it still hasn't arrived on my Desktop. I only heard a rumor a few months ago they enabled in some development preview so hopefully it will go mainstream one day. EDIT: it seems it's half-baked: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-11s-new-never-combine-icons-feature-is-almost-usable/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-11s-...

I would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 requiring a specific hardware. I'll stick to Windows 10, when it dies, I'll probably force myself to switch to Fedora or something.

croisillon 3y ago

i'm hanging to w10 too and plan on switching to linux

sonicanatidae 3y ago

You can run Win11 on non-compliant hardware. Check out Rufus.

dingdingdang 3y ago
Can vouch for this option. Works reliably but still worth disconnecting internet to make sure local account creation is easily available.
- encom 3y ago
  That won't do it any more. Now you have to invoke a command prompt on setup and run some commands to bypass online account requirement. Until they close that loophole also. Absolute turd of an OS. In only have it on a separate partition for games that wont run on Proton.
  - sonicanatidae 3y ago
    Setup /product server

therealmarv 3y ago

And we all know this a limit made on purpose (by a marketing team?). They probably could use this additional hardware everytime it's available on new PCs and allow a kind of legacy mode for Windows 11 on old PCs. But hey, some marketing genius came up with the idea to sell Windows 10 ESU (Extended Security Updates) membership to end consumers this time.

IntelMiner 3y ago
Windows 11's hardware requirements were made to coincide with CPU's that had hardware mitigation for Meltdown and Spectre attacks, as part of their attempt to push the general baseline of security for average users
- technion 3y ago
  I've seen this argument from Ms a lot but let's be real, of the ways typical home windows users are compromised spectre isn't a thing, and isn't hasn't done a thing about, for example, how readily windows let's attackers make a script look like an image .
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  But I couldn't possibly care less about Meltdown and Spectre. It's not clear why anyone does, unless they are running a cloud provider. In fact, history suggests that the malicious actor who is most likely to hose my PC or otherwise interfere with my workflow is.... Microsoft.
  - IntelMiner 3y ago
    And a lot of other users "couldn't possibly care less" about downloading MP3.EXE files off Limewire other users today "couldn't possibly care less" about keeping their systems updated let alone running any kind of Anti-Virus Unfortunately throwing its hands up and saying "nobody cares so why bother" isn't really a great look for a software vendor
    - CamperBob2 3y ago
      Show me a single Meltdown or Spectre exploit that has affected real users. Can't? Then you're just selling tiger-proof rocks. Expensive ones.
      - IntelMiner 3y ago
        "Everything is working, what do I even pay you for!"

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well. I've also noticed that if you build the ISO yourself via UUP dump[1], instead of using the official ISO from Microsoft, then you get a bare start menu with no bloatware or ads, just Explorer and Edge. Nice. [1] https://uupdump.net/ https://uupdump.net/

Alifatisk 3y ago
> You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well. Oh, because the update button in the settings says my hardware does not meet the requirements.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  I meant if you do a clean install via UUP dump generated ISO or a Rufus modified ISO, then it bypassed the TPM check. Updating an existing install on non compliant HW via the official update button obviously doesn't work (unless there's some hacks for it that came out, I don't know I always do a clean install between major versions since I don't want all the years of cruft and changes from one version to be carried over and maybe mess up something).
  - Alifatisk 3y ago
    > Updating an existing install on non compliant HW via the official update button > do a clean install via UUP dump generated ISO or a Rufus modified ISO, then it bypassed the TPM check I'll have backup my stuff before a clean install then, not ready yet but thanks for the guide! I'll do it when I get the time.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      BTW, IIRC if you go the UUP dump route, then you should also be able to run the windows 11 installer directly from windows 10 after you mount the generated ISO so maybe you can indeed run the update instead of clean install. I did the update that way on a tablet, but that had TPM but no official Windows 11 support.

taspeotis 3y ago

Just run it anyway? Even 23H2 works on an old Intel i5-6500 I put it on for shits and giggs. Had to download an “enablement package” to get it to upgrade in-place from 22H2 but there’s a big community of people doing this and it was as difficult as “click this link which downloads the exe direct from Microsoft.”

dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago

I would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 having the option to ungroup tasks removed. I heard the rumor they would bring it back one day, but this day hasn't arrived yet.

zamadatix 3y ago
This arrived a couple months ago.
- dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago
  Do you have any source for that? Because I check every update my org rolls out and it still hasn't arrived on my Desktop. I only heard a rumor a few months ago they enabled in some development preview so hopefully it will go mainstream one day. EDIT: it seems it's half-baked: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-11s-new-never-combine-icons-feature-is-almost-usable/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-11s-...