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Plan for Windows 10 End of Support
- pcdoodle 3y agoThis image of the windows 10 airplane still makes me giggle: https://imgur.com/qFcVLYY https://imgur.com/qFcVLYY. Sad thing is, it would look even worse today.
- Alifatisk 3y agoI would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 requiring a specific hardware. I'll stick to Windows 10, when it dies, I'll probably force myself to switch to Fedora or something.
- croisillon 3y agoi'm hanging to w10 too and plan on switching to linux
- sonicanatidae 3y agoYou can run Win11 on non-compliant hardware. Check out Rufus.
- dingdingdang 3y agoCan vouch for this option. Works reliably but still worth disconnecting internet to make sure local account creation is easily available.
- encom 3y agoThat won't do it any more. Now you have to invoke a command prompt on setup and run some commands to bypass online account requirement. Until they close that loophole also. Absolute turd of an OS. In only have it on a separate partition for games that wont run on Proton.
- sonicanatidae 3y agoSetup /product server
- therealmarv 3y agoAnd we all know this a limit made on purpose (by a marketing team?). They probably could use this additional hardware everytime it's available on new PCs and allow a kind of legacy mode for Windows 11 on old PCs. But hey, some marketing genius came up with the idea to sell Windows 10 ESU (Extended Security Updates) membership to end consumers this time.
- IntelMiner 3y agoWindows 11's hardware requirements were made to coincide with CPU's that had hardware mitigation for Meltdown and Spectre attacks, as part of their attempt to push the general baseline of security for average users
- technion 3y agoI've seen this argument from Ms a lot but let's be real, of the ways typical home windows users are compromised spectre isn't a thing, and isn't hasn't done a thing about, for example, how readily windows let's attackers make a script look like an image .
- CamperBob2 3y agoBut I couldn't possibly care less about Meltdown and Spectre. It's not clear why anyone does, unless they are running a cloud provider. In fact, history suggests that the malicious actor who is most likely to hose my PC or otherwise interfere with my workflow is.... Microsoft.
- IntelMiner 3y agoAnd a lot of other users "couldn't possibly care less" about downloading MP3.EXE files off Limewire other users today "couldn't possibly care less" about keeping their systems updated let alone running any kind of Anti-Virus Unfortunately throwing its hands up and saying "nobody cares so why bother" isn't really a great look for a software vendor
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- FirmwareBurner 3y agoYou don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well. I've also noticed that if you build the ISO yourself via UUP dump[1], instead of using the official ISO from Microsoft, then you get a bare start menu with no bloatware or ads, just Explorer and Edge. Nice. [1] https://uupdump.net/ https://uupdump.net/
- Alifatisk 3y ago> You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well. Oh, because the update button in the settings says my hardware does not meet the requirements.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoI meant if you do a clean install via UUP dump generated ISO or a Rufus modified ISO, then it bypassed the TPM check. Updating an existing install on non compliant HW via the official update button obviously doesn't work (unless there's some hacks for it that came out, I don't know I always do a clean install between major versions since I don't want all the years of cruft and changes from one version to be carried over and maybe mess up something).
- Alifatisk 3y ago> Updating an existing install on non compliant HW via the official update button > do a clean install via UUP dump generated ISO or a Rufus modified ISO, then it bypassed the TPM check I'll have backup my stuff before a clean install then, not ready yet but thanks for the guide! I'll do it when I get the time.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoBTW, IIRC if you go the UUP dump route, then you should also be able to run the windows 11 installer directly from windows 10 after you mount the generated ISO so maybe you can indeed run the update instead of clean install. I did the update that way on a tablet, but that had TPM but no official Windows 11 support.
- taspeotis 3y agoJust run it anyway? Even 23H2 works on an old Intel i5-6500 I put it on for shits and giggs. Had to download an “enablement package” to get it to upgrade in-place from 22H2 but there’s a big community of people doing this and it was as difficult as “click this link which downloads the exe direct from Microsoft.”
- dvfjsdhgfv 3y agoI would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 having the option to ungroup tasks removed. I heard the rumor they would bring it back one day, but this day hasn't arrived yet.
- zamadatix 3y agoThis arrived a couple months ago.
- dvfjsdhgfv 3y agoDo you have any source for that? Because I check every update my org rolls out and it still hasn't arrived on my Desktop. I only heard a rumor a few months ago they enabled in some development preview so hopefully it will go mainstream one day. EDIT: it seems it's half-baked: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-11s-new-never-combine-icons-feature-is-almost-usable/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-11s-...
- tester756 3y agoDo I get this right? Windows 10 end of support will push many, many people to modern hardware? Seems like HW companies will have very good year 2025/2026 brb purchasing stocks
- sonicanatidae 3y agoYes and No. A lot of folks will go with newer hardware due to lacking TPM, etc. support, but those people were likely to upgrade at 1-3 year intervals anyway. A majority of users will just keep running Windows 10, with or without sec updates until they can no longer buy a system with 10. There are still Windows 7 and Vista installs out there, running every day, and I don't mean outliers. I know a clinic that runs Windows 8.1 on everything. Not because it's a great OS, but the Doctor handles his own IT, has the media handy and knows how to install it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ As another example, in the microlab of the 3rd hospital I was Director of IT for, I found....a Windows 3.11 machine. Literally, Windows 3.11, with a CRT touchscreen monitor. I reached out to the vendor and suggested that maybe...just maybe...it's time to replace this unit with one a bit more modern.
- speed_spread 3y agoIn all fairness, Windows 3.11 is so ancient that it is probably immune to (or overlooked by) most modern threats.
- asveikau 3y agoYou're also pretty limited in what you can do and who you can communicate with on an older OS. For example, Windows XP doesn't support modern and commonly implemented TLS.
- vetinari 3y agoWindows 3.11 didn't come with TCP/IP stack, just IPX/SPX and NetBEUI. You had to install TCP/IP separately.
- DanHulton 3y agoSo I have about 2 years to prepare to run some flavour of Gaming Linux on my desktop, cool. Thankfully, Valve's continued and dedicated support for the Steam Deck has made this a very easy alternative to consider.
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- cherrycherry98 3y agoSeems like there's a bunch of us with the same idea. Once W10 is end of life my plan is to build a new PC and run Linux on it. Gaming is my only reservation but hoping mostly a non issue by 2025.
- earthling8118 3y agoMany of us have jumped ship years ago. It's been largely a non-issue for years now, but especially so with the introduction of the Steam deck in recent times.
- the_cramer 3y agoBeen a Windows Main my whole life. Bought the steam deck a year ago and it was awesome. Bought a new pc couple of weeks ago and installed linux mint. Few minor issues, resolved in net 2hours. Since then it has been a breeze. Developing, gaming, even running Windows apps is no problem anymore.
- lostmsu 3y agoWhat email client do you use?
- haxial 3y agoI moved from Windows 10 to Linux at the end of 2021 and don't miss it a bit. Except for Steam, Reaper, and Discord, all other software I use is FOSS, and it's so dang good! I feel bad for the people who have to stick with Windows because they need to use Adobe or Microsoft products. Desktop Linux is in such a good place right now, and it's only getting better thanks to all the great developers.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoHow's things like sleep, hibernate, system wide touchpad gestures, HW video decode and fractional scaling working in the land of linux these days? I know if you can live without those then Linux is daily drivable for a long time, but I need all of them to work flawlessly, and every time I try Linux on my bare metal laptop a lot of those features are still missing, janky or require research and tinkering. I really want to make the switch but I also need 95% feature parity. I don't game much so I don't care how many Steam games now work on Linux via Proton if the basic features of an OS that I mentioned before are not there out of the box.
- therealmarv 3y agoDon't forget HDR on monitors and gesture support on trackpads.
- chikenf00t 3y agoOut of your combined lists, HDR is the only one that would cause issues. Although it really depends on the distro.
- k8svet 3y agoYup, and I fully expect that to be solved by end of 2024. I have already fired up Halo Infinite on NixOS with a patched kernel and have seen HDR working via gamescope. Just a matter of ironing out kinks, KDE is already in progress, I expect Cosmic to start supporting soon, too.
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- goliv04053 3y agoWell, let's go with Linux then.
- shmde 3y ago"Enable workers to get the most secure Windows ever with Windows 11. It’s AI-enhanced and easy to use with a 250% ROI." Wtf is this even supposed to mean. 250% ROI, AI enhanced ?? What ?
- criddell 3y agoLots of us got Windows 10 as a free upgrade back when it was going to be the last version of Windows ever. My ROI has been pretty good on that $0 purchase.
- sampa 3y agoI run Windows in VM only for gaming (vfio videocard passthrough on Linux). So couldn't care less what's inside - win10 or win11.
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- vkaku 3y agoLooks like this will finally lead to the Year of the Linux Desktop. I think the point is that even though one could do all the hacks required to disable the hardware checks that Windows 11 unnecessarily imposes, subsequent updates and re-patching tend to be painful for end users. I think that Linux w/ LTS for the next few years may be the sane option for the next decade. For most people, beyond that timeframe - there may not exist a dedicated gaming PC at all if the purpose is to play games or even get basic productivity work done. For people like me, I will always embrace the openness and upgradability of a PC though.
- sundvor 3y agoMy N-2 is a 6850k CPU based system, ie Broadwell-E. I'd love for Microsoft to allow it to run Win11, on paper it meets all the requirements, and I also bought the hardware TPM module. Crazy annoying. Also, this was from a time when Intel went through chipsets like single use underwear - after this I moved to AM4, couldn't have been any happier! (3900XT to 5800x3d!). I still have a 2600k in play (the N-3); I like my PCs to last a while. I understand the (4.4ghz on air) 2600k don't meet the requirements and it needs to be updated, but the 6-core 6850k was one I really hoped to keep around for a while eg for my now 5 year old daughter. (I use Windows predominantly, and Ubuntu through WSL2.) https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/94188/intel-core-i76850k-processor-15m-cache-up-to-3-80-ghz/specifications.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/94188/i...
- 1970-01-01 3y agoAll I know is that I'll be jumping from Win 10 to Win 12. The Linux desktop sits with Windows 11 as a non-starter. Apple is also a contender, but I have no desire to get locked into Apple's walled garden environment.
- binkHN 3y agoI've planned for this by migrating to Linux; I received a new machine with Windows 11 and was so abhorred by what an abomination it is that I switched my OS after using Windows for what feels like forever. Maybe 2025 will be the year of Linux on the desktop and we'll have Microsoft to thank? I know I have Microsoft to thank for opening my eyes to a Linux desktop.
- leetrout 3y agoYea someone just posted similar thoughts the other day. Microsoft making windows worse is making linux desktop environments look much better. I am a fan of pop_OS.
- encom 3y agoI've done the same. I've used Linux for 15-20 years for various things, but never on my main desktop because of games. But now Steam on Linux makes running games very easy. Not every game works, but there are a lot that do, and I rely on Windows less and less for gaming. Hopefully one day I can blow away my Windows partition.
- baggachipz 3y agoStrange, I thought Windows 10 was the last major version ever[1] and you'd never need to do anything but small updates from then on? [1] https://www.extremetech.com/computing/205320-microsoft-windows-10-will-be-the-last-version-of-windows https://www.extremetech.com/computing/205320-microsoft-windo...
- zamadatix 3y agoThat one guy from Microsoft said it at ignite in 2015 and it ran through the media cycle despite Microsoft only ever confirming in follow ups Windows 10 would receive regular updates with no commitment there would never be new branding in the future. With how often people only remember the quote and none of the context I'm starting to wonder if it'll be like the 640k quote someday.
- nayuki 3y agoIf I recall correctly, when Windows 10 was released, it was touted as the last version of Windows, the evergreen version with incremental updates. It took Microsoft less than a decade to break that promise.
- redprince 3y agoBut then people would just have continued to use their old hardware for many, many years, saving money and resources. Luckily that horrible future with diminished revenue for the PC industry was averted. /s
- binkHN 3y agoLess than a decade? You give them too much credit. Try six years.
- quaffapint 3y agoOct 2025, by that time Windows 12 will come out and we can continue the skip every other Windows OS cycle.
- karmakaze 3y agoOr it will all be Windows 365 subscription only.
- mikewarot 3y agoSo now I know when I'll forced off of Windows, and lose access to WikidPad as a result... October 14, 2025. Choices are to fix WikidPad by then, or migrate all the notes to NotePad++, etc.