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I feel like the only person on the internet who doesn't like BG3. The turn-based combat made the game really tedious. The 3D camera made me want to throw somet

I feel like the only person on the internet who doesn't like BG3. The turn-based combat made the game really tedious. The 3D camera made me want to throw something at the monitor. The story is awful. The companions are unlikable and hypersexual. The environments are often so over the top they wrap around into boorishness. The reddit-style humor (like the "poop knife") was just completely inappropriate. The unfinished state and constant patches made me feel like I was doing QA for free. I loved BG2, but this wasn't what I wanted at all.

colesantiago 3y ago
You're not alone in this, I just don't get the hype for it. Each to their own. It was an incredibly stale game awards, nothing really has been stand out shown to be fair, except 1 or 2 titles.
tetris11 3y ago
Check out the official xfire review for it, the author was similarly unimpressed.
caskstrength 3y ago
You are not the only one! Significant amount of people who like BG2 are not happy with "Divinity: Forgotten Realms" (renamed to BG3 for cash-grab reasons). > The reddit-style humor (like the "poop knife") was just completely inappropriate. Larian games tend to do this. Note that intersection of sets of people who worked on BGs 2 and 3 is most likely an empty set.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  That’s a weird set of complaints. Yes of course it’s a separate group of people. It’s a very long time apart and completely different studios. I would rather complain that it wasn’t more like divinity. Divinity’s game design was vastly superior to 5e. But it clearly is a BG sequel. The plot connections are pretty strong. Perhaps more than ought to have been expected
  - D13Fd 3y ago
    That’s the camp I’m in. DnD 5e feels pretty shallow compared to the DOS:2 system.
  - caskstrength 3y ago
    > That’s a weird set of complaints. I didn't list any complains besides perhaps commenting on Larian's humor. > The plot connections are pretty strong. Perhaps more than ought to have been expected The plot has been concluded in ToB. Just sprinkling around random NPCs from previous games doesn't make it a sequel.
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      Have you… actually played the game to its completion?
      - caskstrength 3y ago
        Have you... actually played ToB to completion? At the end it shows you the epilogue explaining _exactly_ what happens to all your companions (spoiler alert: Minsc doesn't become a statue in Baldur's Gate). Cameos, forced tie-ins and straight up alternations of story lines of previous games doesn't make it a sequel.
  - tmtvl 3y ago
    > Divinity’s game design was vastly superior to 5e. Sure. But if it's Baldur's Gate, why isn't it 2nd Edition AD&D? It's far superior to Divinity, it's what we expect from BG, and it would win points for nostalgia reasons.
    - disgruntledphd2 3y ago
      > Sure. But if it's Baldur's Gate, why isn't it 2nd Edition AD&D? It's far superior to Divinity, it's what we expect from BG, and it would win points for nostalgia reasons. As bad as 5E, 2nd is far, far worse. There's basically nothing for martial characters to do any round. Shoulda rolled a wizard. Hope you like making save or die rolls in high level play.
- D13Fd 3y ago
  I don’t think it’s fair to blame Larian though. They got the IP and delivered a Larian-style spin on it. Having them try to pretend to be 1990s/2000s-era Bioware would have been a disaster (even today’s Bioware wouldn’t be able to do that).
  - caskstrength 3y ago
    > I don’t think it’s fair to blame Larian though. They got the IP and delivered a Larian-style spin on it. I think it is. They should have refused the "3" in the name, then it would be completely fine (we already had Dark Alliance).
  - account42 3y ago
    They could choose not to get the IP if its not something they can treat with respect. Getting it anyway and shitting on the previous games makes this a cash grab.
    - davidivadavid 3y ago
      That sounds like the most complicated cash grab of all time. As a fan of the original games, I couldn't be happier with what Larian did with the IP.
    - piaste 3y ago
      Treating with respect != slavishly mimicking a previous studio's effort. Just because there's a '3' in the name doesn't mean it should feel like a clone of '2', especially when the studio changes. Dune II was a completely different game from Dune. GTA 3 was completely different from GTA 1/2. Armored Core. Max Payne. Wasteland. Sports game and certain shooters are widely mocked (among nerds) for being basically identical release after release.
      - account42 3y ago
        > Treating with respect != slavishly mimicking a previous studio's effort. Absolutely is if you are pretending to make a sequel to someone else's game. > Just because there's a '3' in the name doesn't mean it should feel like a clone of '2', especially when the studio changes. You got that the wrong way around. The original team wanting to go in a different direction is one thing. But a completely different studio wanting to create something very different from the original game should just do that and create a separate game instead of a purpoted sequel. So yes, a different studio being given the license for the sequel (which is already a very questionable practice that rights holders should be called out for) should strive to mimick the feel of the original game very closely. > Sports game and certain shooters are widely mocked (among nerds) for being basically identical release after release. What an absurd comparison. Literally taking the infinity engine with BG2 systems and creating a new campaign with that would not even be close to the yearly EA rereleases. And no, I'm not saying that there can't be any changes at all but Larian went well beyond what would be needed to update the game for $current_year audience.
- izacus 3y ago
  Well, those people can play Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteus, which is essentially in spirit, storytelling, world and presentation very close to original BG1 and BG2. It launched in 2021. It's amazing that we have two great games that modernize the formula in different ways - Pathfinder showing how to do the old style with modern tech and BG3 interpreting it.
  - caskstrength 3y ago
    What it the point of your patronizing comment? "Those people" do play PF, PoE, Tyranny, etc. Doesn't mean we can't criticize Larian for the cash grab.
    - izacus 3y ago
      I'm not sure what's patronizing about it? We got two great games in last two years for both types of players - the ones that want old-school approach and the ones that want a modern approach. Both games are well reviewed and great to play. And that doesn't even include all the other games you've mentioned (or Larians previous Divinity games) or Solasta or others... we're in golden age of CRPGs again. Also, "cash grab"? Huh?
footlose_3815 3y ago
I agree with everything you just said. It was probably my biggest letdown of the year. For each turn on the turn based combat, there’s overhead and waiting required. The characters slowly accelerate as they start to move and take their turns. Sometimes it feels like forever by the time you get control of your characters again. Some of the battles are so one-sided against you. You have to come back later after grinding everything in the map. Inventory management is horrible. I could go on, but I’d be preaching to the choir. But I’ll just say it is an unfinished game.
- alpaca128 3y ago
  > Some of the battles are so one-sided against you. You have to come back later after grinding everything in the map. I had the same experience at first but it really just comes down to using all resources the game gives you. For me it got significantly easier once I stopped hoarding items. The difficulty seems very dependent on playstyle and motivation to optimize damage, I've seen people destroy bossfights with 10+ enemies in one turn with a single playable character.
Loughla 3y ago
Have you ever played dungeons and dragons table top?
- okasaki 3y ago
  No, I don't find that (or multiplayer games) interesting at all. I treat games like books - a solitary experience between the author and me.
  - Loughla 3y ago
    So that makes a ton of sense why you wouldn't like this game. It's a turn based rpg.
- michaelt 3y ago
  I'd wager 90% of in-person D&D groups do not roleplay sex or bathroom visits. I did expect BG3 would have an NSFW on/off setting though - if only for the benefit of streamers. I guess not one thorough enough for okasaki?
  - Loughla 3y ago
    I'm with you on the sex scenes (and bathroom scenes? I must've missed that). I never want or need them. I was more responding to their complaints about turn based combat. BG3 nails that aspect, and it's strange to me that people don't like it. It's literally a turn based rpg.
    - sanitycheck 3y ago
      I definitely liked it _despite_ the turn based combat. That was pure drudgery, but the rest of the game made up for it. I'll recommend it to my wife if they ever add a "tourist mode" type thing which dramatically speeds up the fights, she's got a lot less patience than me.
      - Loughla 3y ago
sergiotapia 3y ago
Finally someone like me! I stopped after about 40 minutes, not my cup of tea. I didn't like it for the reasons you described.
bibanez 3y ago
The camera is dissappointingly bad. When you're indoors it's normal for it to bug terribly...
erellsworth 3y ago
You're not alone. I didn't even bother trying BG3 because of the turn-based combat. I'm sorry, but in my opinion turn-based combat has no place in a AAA game, aside from maybe a mini-game. It's just lame.
- slothtrop 3y ago
  You'd liken this to a AAA game? I don't think the pseudo-RT pause-unpause gameplay of BG2 would show up in AAA either.
  - distances 3y ago
    What do you mean, BG3 is an AAA game by all measures? I do hope this combat mechanic becomes more widespread, the added tactical depth here really beats the usual RTS hassle. Tabletop D&D is turn based too so it was very puzzling why the old BGs and Neverwinter Nights didn't do it this proper way.
    - erellsworth 3y ago
      Except it's not a tabletop game, it's a video game. For me, turn-based combat makes a video game less immersive.
  - erellsworth 3y ago
    According to the game's executive producer, it's a AAA game. https://gamingbolt.com/baldurs-gate-3-has-a-triple-a-budget-and-team-says-developer https://gamingbolt.com/baldurs-gate-3-has-a-triple-a-budget-...

colesantiago 3y ago

You're not alone in this, I just don't get the hype for it. Each to their own. It was an incredibly stale game awards, nothing really has been stand out shown to be fair, except 1 or 2 titles.

tetris11 3y ago

Check out the official xfire review for it, the author was similarly unimpressed.

caskstrength 3y ago

You are not the only one! Significant amount of people who like BG2 are not happy with "Divinity: Forgotten Realms" (renamed to BG3 for cash-grab reasons). > The reddit-style humor (like the "poop knife") was just completely inappropriate. Larian games tend to do this. Note that intersection of sets of people who worked on BGs 2 and 3 is most likely an empty set.

jncfhnb 3y ago
That’s a weird set of complaints. Yes of course it’s a separate group of people. It’s a very long time apart and completely different studios. I would rather complain that it wasn’t more like divinity. Divinity’s game design was vastly superior to 5e. But it clearly is a BG sequel. The plot connections are pretty strong. Perhaps more than ought to have been expected
- D13Fd 3y ago
  That’s the camp I’m in. DnD 5e feels pretty shallow compared to the DOS:2 system.
- caskstrength 3y ago
  > That’s a weird set of complaints. I didn't list any complains besides perhaps commenting on Larian's humor. > The plot connections are pretty strong. Perhaps more than ought to have been expected The plot has been concluded in ToB. Just sprinkling around random NPCs from previous games doesn't make it a sequel.
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    Have you… actually played the game to its completion?
    - caskstrength 3y ago
      Have you... actually played ToB to completion? At the end it shows you the epilogue explaining _exactly_ what happens to all your companions (spoiler alert: Minsc doesn't become a statue in Baldur's Gate). Cameos, forced tie-ins and straight up alternations of story lines of previous games doesn't make it a sequel.
- tmtvl 3y ago
  > Divinity’s game design was vastly superior to 5e. Sure. But if it's Baldur's Gate, why isn't it 2nd Edition AD&D? It's far superior to Divinity, it's what we expect from BG, and it would win points for nostalgia reasons.
  - disgruntledphd2 3y ago
    > Sure. But if it's Baldur's Gate, why isn't it 2nd Edition AD&D? It's far superior to Divinity, it's what we expect from BG, and it would win points for nostalgia reasons. As bad as 5E, 2nd is far, far worse. There's basically nothing for martial characters to do any round. Shoulda rolled a wizard. Hope you like making save or die rolls in high level play.
D13Fd 3y ago
I don’t think it’s fair to blame Larian though. They got the IP and delivered a Larian-style spin on it. Having them try to pretend to be 1990s/2000s-era Bioware would have been a disaster (even today’s Bioware wouldn’t be able to do that).
- caskstrength 3y ago
  > I don’t think it’s fair to blame Larian though. They got the IP and delivered a Larian-style spin on it. I think it is. They should have refused the "3" in the name, then it would be completely fine (we already had Dark Alliance).
- account42 3y ago
  They could choose not to get the IP if its not something they can treat with respect. Getting it anyway and shitting on the previous games makes this a cash grab.
  - davidivadavid 3y ago
    That sounds like the most complicated cash grab of all time. As a fan of the original games, I couldn't be happier with what Larian did with the IP.
  - piaste 3y ago
    Treating with respect != slavishly mimicking a previous studio's effort. Just because there's a '3' in the name doesn't mean it should feel like a clone of '2', especially when the studio changes. Dune II was a completely different game from Dune. GTA 3 was completely different from GTA 1/2. Armored Core. Max Payne. Wasteland. Sports game and certain shooters are widely mocked (among nerds) for being basically identical release after release.
    - account42 3y ago
      > Treating with respect != slavishly mimicking a previous studio's effort. Absolutely is if you are pretending to make a sequel to someone else's game. > Just because there's a '3' in the name doesn't mean it should feel like a clone of '2', especially when the studio changes. You got that the wrong way around. The original team wanting to go in a different direction is one thing. But a completely different studio wanting to create something very different from the original game should just do that and create a separate game instead of a purpoted sequel. So yes, a different studio being given the license for the sequel (which is already a very questionable practice that rights holders should be called out for) should strive to mimick the feel of the original game very closely. > Sports game and certain shooters are widely mocked (among nerds) for being basically identical release after release. What an absurd comparison. Literally taking the infinity engine with BG2 systems and creating a new campaign with that would not even be close to the yearly EA rereleases. And no, I'm not saying that there can't be any changes at all but Larian went well beyond what would be needed to update the game for $current_year audience.
izacus 3y ago
Well, those people can play Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteus, which is essentially in spirit, storytelling, world and presentation very close to original BG1 and BG2. It launched in 2021. It's amazing that we have two great games that modernize the formula in different ways - Pathfinder showing how to do the old style with modern tech and BG3 interpreting it.
- caskstrength 3y ago
  What it the point of your patronizing comment? "Those people" do play PF, PoE, Tyranny, etc. Doesn't mean we can't criticize Larian for the cash grab.
  - izacus 3y ago
    I'm not sure what's patronizing about it? We got two great games in last two years for both types of players - the ones that want old-school approach and the ones that want a modern approach. Both games are well reviewed and great to play. And that doesn't even include all the other games you've mentioned (or Larians previous Divinity games) or Solasta or others... we're in golden age of CRPGs again. Also, "cash grab"? Huh?

footlose_3815 3y ago

I agree with everything you just said. It was probably my biggest letdown of the year. For each turn on the turn based combat, there’s overhead and waiting required. The characters slowly accelerate as they start to move and take their turns. Sometimes it feels like forever by the time you get control of your characters again. Some of the battles are so one-sided against you. You have to come back later after grinding everything in the map. Inventory management is horrible. I could go on, but I’d be preaching to the choir. But I’ll just say it is an unfinished game.

alpaca128 3y ago
> Some of the battles are so one-sided against you. You have to come back later after grinding everything in the map. I had the same experience at first but it really just comes down to using all resources the game gives you. For me it got significantly easier once I stopped hoarding items. The difficulty seems very dependent on playstyle and motivation to optimize damage, I've seen people destroy bossfights with 10+ enemies in one turn with a single playable character.

Loughla 3y ago

Have you ever played dungeons and dragons table top?

okasaki 3y ago
No, I don't find that (or multiplayer games) interesting at all. I treat games like books - a solitary experience between the author and me.
- Loughla 3y ago
  So that makes a ton of sense why you wouldn't like this game. It's a turn based rpg.
michaelt 3y ago
I'd wager 90% of in-person D&D groups do not roleplay sex or bathroom visits. I did expect BG3 would have an NSFW on/off setting though - if only for the benefit of streamers. I guess not one thorough enough for okasaki?
- Loughla 3y ago
  I'm with you on the sex scenes (and bathroom scenes? I must've missed that). I never want or need them. I was more responding to their complaints about turn based combat. BG3 nails that aspect, and it's strange to me that people don't like it. It's literally a turn based rpg.
  - sanitycheck 3y ago
    I definitely liked it _despite_ the turn based combat. That was pure drudgery, but the rest of the game made up for it. I'll recommend it to my wife if they ever add a "tourist mode" type thing which dramatically speeds up the fights, she's got a lot less patience than me.
    - Loughla 3y ago

sergiotapia 3y ago

Finally someone like me! I stopped after about 40 minutes, not my cup of tea. I didn't like it for the reasons you described.

bibanez 3y ago

The camera is dissappointingly bad. When you're indoors it's normal for it to bug terribly...

erellsworth 3y ago

You're not alone. I didn't even bother trying BG3 because of the turn-based combat. I'm sorry, but in my opinion turn-based combat has no place in a AAA game, aside from maybe a mini-game. It's just lame.

slothtrop 3y ago
You'd liken this to a AAA game? I don't think the pseudo-RT pause-unpause gameplay of BG2 would show up in AAA either.
- distances 3y ago
  What do you mean, BG3 is an AAA game by all measures? I do hope this combat mechanic becomes more widespread, the added tactical depth here really beats the usual RTS hassle. Tabletop D&D is turn based too so it was very puzzling why the old BGs and Neverwinter Nights didn't do it this proper way.
  - erellsworth 3y ago
    Except it's not a tabletop game, it's a video game. For me, turn-based combat makes a video game less immersive.
- erellsworth 3y ago
  According to the game's executive producer, it's a AAA game. https://gamingbolt.com/baldurs-gate-3-has-a-triple-a-budget-and-team-says-developer https://gamingbolt.com/baldurs-gate-3-has-a-triple-a-budget-...