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> Fairphone promises five Android version upgrades and at least eight years of security updates, with an aim for a total lifespan of a decade. Impressive
by binkHN 3y ago
> Fairphone promises five Android version upgrades and at least eight years of security updates, with an aim for a total lifespan of a decade.
Impressive
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- maegul 3y agoSo I’m completely out of the loop on the whole de-googling your Android phone thing. How workable is it today and how well would it work on a phone like this?
- prmoustache 3y agoThe fairphone 5 is available new preinstalled with /e/os from the murena store: https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-5/ https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairpho...
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- fgeiger 3y agoYou can quite easily install the Google-freie /e/OS: https://doc.e.foundation/devices/FP5 https://doc.e.foundation/devices/FP5 Murena also sells it preinstalled: https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-5/ https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairpho...
- redder23 3y agoVERY ironically just do NOT buy a fucking Google phone to un-google it. I really really like the Grahpene OS project but its a damn shame that is does only support Pixels and not Fairphones or phones that are at least privacy supporting from the manufacturers end. I think "hardware security" of Google phones sounds nice on paper but you never know if these is some NSA chip or some other exploit build in that the Graphene OS devs never know about. I do not trust Google AT ALL and would love for them to support different Phones, because /e/ is does not sound very secure in comparison, they build on Lineage OS and they actually lowered security to widen compatibility AFAIK and I guess /e/ OS is just copying + de-googling.
- onli 3y agoCalyxOS is a ROM with a similar focus and does support some more phones, including the FP4 and with the FP5 marked as upcoming, see the device list on https://calyxos.org/ https://calyxos.org/. It is the more reasonable choice to GrapheneOS anyway, given their recent issues with developer behavior.
- yellow_lead 3y ago> It is the more reasonable choice to GrapheneOS anyway, given their recent issues with developer behavior. What were these issues?
- onli 3y agoBehavior akin to a paranoid delusion. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0. The developer is gone, so no need to avoid the project completely, but CalyxOS is an interesting alternative anyway.
- MrDrMcCoy 3y agoWhy spread FUD about a developer that is no longer involved?
- potatopatch 3y agoThe de-google issue is Google's proprietary play/Gapps setup which expects to have higher privileges and sells itself as nicer APIs and cloud services to app developers. Many apps can just fallback since not all regions and devices use official Google Android, etc. The other alternatives to not installing any support for them are, installing them like normal but on your non google distribution, an emulator of the services like microg, or wrapping them to put them in the standard app cage like grapheneOS does.
- antoinebalaine 3y agoIf you're OK with switching from gapps, a de-Googled android works just fine. I've had to keep a spare googled-android around for the rare occasions I need to use lyft and Uber. That's it.
- spencerflem 3y agofwiw, I've had an OK time using the web version of uber on my degoogled phone
- harry8 3y agoYep, yet another thing captured. Now if you want take a taxi you have the choice of iphone, android and nothing else. Add that to the lengthy list of modern life you're excluded from (including the govt!) if you exercise your supposed choice not to us apple or google. The turnkey is right there, who will turn it?
- nazgulsenpai 3y agoLineageOS with MicroG, F-Droid and Aurora store for whatever play apps you might need has served me well for years. Haven't signed into a Google account for anything on here.
- lucb1e 3y agoCan confirm, same setup here
- hedora 3y agoI tried to switch from iOS to de-googled Anrdoid. Basic stuff is completely broken. Any app that uses Google location services had intermittent problems getting a GPS lock (it was a software problem, not a hardware problem, since things that just directly ask the GPS chip for the device's location worked just fine). Worse than that, most apps use random google stuff that they don't need, and the developers inevitably forget to check for NULL when they ask for the optional google service. At that point, the app fails with a null pointer exception at startup. Most apps fix this in a week or so, but they don't add de-googled android to the regression tests, so they end up breaking it again in a month or so. The final straw was standing outside my car in 40F driving rain and staring at a java stack trace that was preventing the charger from turning on. At that point I pulled my work iPhone out of the glove compartment. If I didn't have it with me, I would have been stranded. On the bright side, my Pixel 6 Pro got something like three times longer battery life than advertised until I broke down and installed the Google crap in a sandbox. At that point, battery life immediately plummeted back to advertised. I wonder if politicians would intervene if more people realized that 66% of the battery usage of an Android phone is Google surveillance crap running in the background.
- turquoisevar 3y ago> Worse than that, most apps use random google stuff that they don't need, and the developers inevitably forget to check for NULL when they ask for the optional google service. I say this as someone who's not a big fan of Google. If it's anything like iOS development, there’s a good chance it never dawned on them. On iOS, there's a slew of things you want to check for as dev due to permissions and the like, but there's so much more we simply assume is there based on the frameworks Apple ships with the OS. If ever there would be an option to de-Apple iOS, I wouldn't even know where to start to check for nil values, if only because Apple has significantly moved to abstract things away to make it easier on us, and they never allowed direct communication with components to begin with, everything runs through an Apple provided delegate.
- lawn 3y agoI installed CalyxOS and I've painlessly installed (almost) all my apps via the Aurora store. The only one that didn't work was a podcast app with in-app purchases, which isn't supported. Everything else just works. The whole process was easy and painless.
- IMTDb 3y agoThis is comparable to Apple timeline. The iPhone 6, released sept 2014 got a security update earlier this year.
- rtpg 3y agocomparable to the iOS stuff at least. I was a bit frustrated to find out that a 2015 MBP I had in a closet has been out of support for a while (I have very high doubts that there was any technical reason for the line drawing on that front). I really appreciate the iOS support window but it's messed up that their laptops ad desktops (which can last _so long_ and be useful!) just fall out of support despite still being very capable machines. The kicker of course is I at least updated it all to MacOS 12 to give to a friend and everything still ran extremely well. But at one point these machines will stop working for purely incidental reasons
- sneak 3y agoWell, the phones haven’t been through an architecture change recently, while the laptops and desktops have. I think you’ll be safe on ARM macs for 10 full years.
- rtpg 3y agobut the i7s are still there, and still getting updates. I get that there's a legit question of having 2015 MBPs lying around, but honestly just having a switch to let you install it feels legit. It's not like the hardware is changing that much over the years, and they have to have the OS support a bunch of hardware configurations anyways
- sentientslug 3y agoMetal is one of the reasons the 2015 macs were dropped from support: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102894 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102894
- mixmastamyk 3y ago