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I think if there was interest in it there would be multiple OpenPGP implementations. Most people don't even care about security. You can't protect people who w

I think if there was interest in it there would be multiple OpenPGP implementations. Most people don't even care about security. You can't protect people who won't care to protect themselves.

WesolyKubeczek 3y ago
They exist, albeit not 1:1 compatible in all aspects. That one in Thunderbird, Sequoia.
- zlg_codes 3y ago
  I'm just saying, I've used and tried to get people to practice WoT with OpenPGP on the order of a decade or more. There simply isn't a demand for protected communications because normies haven't started suffering at the hands of government for online shenanigans yet. After a while, you sort of want bad things to happen so society will move forward... Humans are so reticent to act to protect themselves from a threat they don't see or understand the capabilities of.
  - Ar-Curunir 3y ago
    normies use encrypted communication way more than the cumulative historical usage of GPG or PGP; Signal, WhatsApp, iMessage, and now Facebook messenger all offer better privacy for the average person than GPG or PGP ever did, and are used by orders of magnitude more people.
    - zlg_codes 3y ago
      Tall claims require tall proof. Where's the source code proving this? It doesn't pass the smell test. FB has been caught numerous times mishandling data. Apple is a walled garden you can't trust, same with WhatsApp. Unless Signal is liberally licensed, we can't verify privacy there. Also, using a phone number as an ID is a de-anonymizing technique. Industry absolutely does not do this correctly, or they wouldn't be a juicy source of analytics data. Governments court these companies to exfiltrate data they have on people. If the data were adequately protected, they wouldn't be able to do this. Sending something over HTTPS is encrypted but it's not private to the other end. Nice sleight of hand but I actually understand what I'm talking about.
    - petre 3y ago
      Anyone technically literate considering iMessage for secure comms should probably read this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38537444 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38537444 In any case, it's better then using plaintext. It's probably safe enough against non nation state actors.
  - 0xDEAFBEAD 3y ago
    I read about the WoT and I found the idea fascinating, but I've never used it myself. Would love to hear anything you have to share about using it in practice.

I think if there was interest in it there would be multiple OpenPGP implementations. Most people don't even care about security. You can't protect people who won't care to protect themselves.

WesolyKubeczek 3y ago

They exist, albeit not 1:1 compatible in all aspects. That one in Thunderbird, Sequoia.

zlg_codes 3y ago
I'm just saying, I've used and tried to get people to practice WoT with OpenPGP on the order of a decade or more. There simply isn't a demand for protected communications because normies haven't started suffering at the hands of government for online shenanigans yet. After a while, you sort of want bad things to happen so society will move forward... Humans are so reticent to act to protect themselves from a threat they don't see or understand the capabilities of.
- Ar-Curunir 3y ago
  normies use encrypted communication way more than the cumulative historical usage of GPG or PGP; Signal, WhatsApp, iMessage, and now Facebook messenger all offer better privacy for the average person than GPG or PGP ever did, and are used by orders of magnitude more people.
  - zlg_codes 3y ago
    Tall claims require tall proof. Where's the source code proving this? It doesn't pass the smell test. FB has been caught numerous times mishandling data. Apple is a walled garden you can't trust, same with WhatsApp. Unless Signal is liberally licensed, we can't verify privacy there. Also, using a phone number as an ID is a de-anonymizing technique. Industry absolutely does not do this correctly, or they wouldn't be a juicy source of analytics data. Governments court these companies to exfiltrate data they have on people. If the data were adequately protected, they wouldn't be able to do this. Sending something over HTTPS is encrypted but it's not private to the other end. Nice sleight of hand but I actually understand what I'm talking about.
  - petre 3y ago
    Anyone technically literate considering iMessage for secure comms should probably read this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38537444 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38537444 In any case, it's better then using plaintext. It's probably safe enough against non nation state actors.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 3y ago
  I read about the WoT and I found the idea fascinating, but I've never used it myself. Would love to hear anything you have to share about using it in practice.