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What's hard to tease out is people voting with the "so bad it's good" reasoning. Primarily horror movies are like this.

by lordnacho 3y ago

mensetmanusman 3y ago
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- CoastalCoder 3y ago
  I'd finally managed to forget that film. I hate you.
  - gh02t 3y ago
    Don't forget that there's a sequel. Edit: actually there are TWO sequels. You can't forget until you complete the Birdemic Cinematic Universe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birdemic_2:_The_Resurrection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birdemic_2:_The_Resurrection
    - CoastalCoder 3y ago
      Alright, if we're taking the gloves off for this exchange, I'll counter with this: [0] [0] https://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax-live-birdemic https://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax-live-birdemic P.S. I'm sorry it came to this. Perhaps in another life we could even have been friends.
      - gh02t 3y ago
        I've already seen that one. One of the best Rifftrax along with The Room and Twilight, fellow Person of Culture. Me and a bunch of friends used to be zealous bad movie watchers, though we don't do it as often now that we're all scattered.
082349872349872 3y ago
Oh, for the days when movies were rated objectively: by number of beasts, number of breasts, and number of buckets of blood... "we paid you to make us a movie, but you made a fee-yulm"
- dfxm12 3y ago
  The drive in will never die!
dfxm12 3y ago
It's genre films in general. Fans of niche genres like horror (or religious movies, or musicals, gallows humor, etc.) have different tastes from average mainstream movie goers. Texas Chainsaw Massacre is the most obvious example of this in the article. The fans of this movie just see it as "good".
- Joeboy 3y ago
  The Texas Chain Saw Massacre actually is good though. I watched it quite recently and was surprised how good the cinematography, soundtrack, performances etc were. Admittedly good in a cheap and gnarly way that suited the subject matter, not in a technically perfect way. I think maybe the polarizing nature is that it's "good" at hitting a particular tone, or providing a particular flavour of experience. But it's not a flavour everybody wants or approves of. Edit: It's true though that there's a market for horror movies that are not good. In fact AIUI it's about the only genre where there's any market at all at the low budget end. Maybe gangster films.
  - dfxm12 3y ago
    It's true though that there's a market for horror movies that are not good. In fact AIUI it's about the only genre where there's any market at all at the low budget end. I disagree with this on both fronts. First, budget has nothing to do with it. See the success of Clerks or Super Troopers. Sundance is around the corner. There's going to be a lot of hype around a couple of drama and comedy films shot on a small budget. There is every year... I also disagree that people enjoy horror movies that are "not good". "Not good" is incredibly subjective, so I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I think you're referring to people like me, who watch movies like Jack Frost (not the one with Michael Keaton), but that is because I am legitimately entertained by them, not because they are "not good" by some measure.
    - Joeboy 3y ago
      > There's going to be a lot of hype around a couple of drama and comedy films shot on a small budget. There is every year... I'm talking about like $500k and under. Tangerine would be a great example of a drama film that made a splash at Sundance on a $100k budget. But, there are many films made on that kind of budget and few of them turn a profit. Tangerine's from 2015, Clerks is from 1994, Super Troopers was 2001 (also well above the budget level I'm talking about). The plucky microbudget hits are notable exceptions, not the norm. I wasn't familiar with Jack Frost, I watched a couple of clips on Youtube and yeah, that probably is the sort of thing I mean tbh. It does look entertaining, but my point is if a movie in another genre had comparable production standards, it's much less likely it would've found an audience. The "so bad it's good" market is much more of a thing in horror than elsewhere, to the point people do it deliberately (eg. The Asylum). This isn't meant to be a dismissal of horror or horror fans at all, lots of great film makers have arrived via low budget horror. It's great there's still a genre where self-funded films aren't entirely a money pit.

What's hard to tease out is people voting with the "so bad it's good" reasoning. Primarily horror movies are like this.

mensetmanusman 3y ago

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CoastalCoder 3y ago
I'd finally managed to forget that film. I hate you.
- gh02t 3y ago
  Don't forget that there's a sequel. Edit: actually there are TWO sequels. You can't forget until you complete the Birdemic Cinematic Universe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birdemic_2:_The_Resurrection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birdemic_2:_The_Resurrection
  - CoastalCoder 3y ago
    Alright, if we're taking the gloves off for this exchange, I'll counter with this: [0] [0] https://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax-live-birdemic https://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax-live-birdemic P.S. I'm sorry it came to this. Perhaps in another life we could even have been friends.
    - gh02t 3y ago
      I've already seen that one. One of the best Rifftrax along with The Room and Twilight, fellow Person of Culture. Me and a bunch of friends used to be zealous bad movie watchers, though we don't do it as often now that we're all scattered.

082349872349872 3y ago

Oh, for the days when movies were rated objectively: by number of beasts, number of breasts, and number of buckets of blood... "we paid you to make us a movie, but you made a fee-yulm"

dfxm12 3y ago
The drive in will never die!

dfxm12 3y ago

It's genre films in general. Fans of niche genres like horror (or religious movies, or musicals, gallows humor, etc.) have different tastes from average mainstream movie goers. Texas Chainsaw Massacre is the most obvious example of this in the article. The fans of this movie just see it as "good".

Joeboy 3y ago
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre actually is good though. I watched it quite recently and was surprised how good the cinematography, soundtrack, performances etc were. Admittedly good in a cheap and gnarly way that suited the subject matter, not in a technically perfect way. I think maybe the polarizing nature is that it's "good" at hitting a particular tone, or providing a particular flavour of experience. But it's not a flavour everybody wants or approves of. Edit: It's true though that there's a market for horror movies that are not good. In fact AIUI it's about the only genre where there's any market at all at the low budget end. Maybe gangster films.
- dfxm12 3y ago
  It's true though that there's a market for horror movies that are not good. In fact AIUI it's about the only genre where there's any market at all at the low budget end. I disagree with this on both fronts. First, budget has nothing to do with it. See the success of Clerks or Super Troopers. Sundance is around the corner. There's going to be a lot of hype around a couple of drama and comedy films shot on a small budget. There is every year... I also disagree that people enjoy horror movies that are "not good". "Not good" is incredibly subjective, so I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I think you're referring to people like me, who watch movies like Jack Frost (not the one with Michael Keaton), but that is because I am legitimately entertained by them, not because they are "not good" by some measure.
  - Joeboy 3y ago
    > There's going to be a lot of hype around a couple of drama and comedy films shot on a small budget. There is every year... I'm talking about like $500k and under. Tangerine would be a great example of a drama film that made a splash at Sundance on a $100k budget. But, there are many films made on that kind of budget and few of them turn a profit. Tangerine's from 2015, Clerks is from 1994, Super Troopers was 2001 (also well above the budget level I'm talking about). The plucky microbudget hits are notable exceptions, not the norm. I wasn't familiar with Jack Frost, I watched a couple of clips on Youtube and yeah, that probably is the sort of thing I mean tbh. It does look entertaining, but my point is if a movie in another genre had comparable production standards, it's much less likely it would've found an audience. The "so bad it's good" market is much more of a thing in horror than elsewhere, to the point people do it deliberately (eg. The Asylum). This isn't meant to be a dismissal of horror or horror fans at all, lots of great film makers have arrived via low budget horror. It's great there's still a genre where self-funded films aren't entirely a money pit.